Making the Fan

Making the Fan

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Making the Fan episodes

  • The Core Principles Driving Employee Motivation w/ Dr. Scott Rigby

    Salary increases and rewards have their place, but to inspire connection and tenure with your employees requires more. In this episode, David Millay and Dr. Scott Rigby, Founder and CEO of Immersyve and MotivationWorks, dive into self-determination theory, employees’ three basic needs and the obstacles employers must overcome to motivate their teams long-term.  

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    Show Notes

    2:41   Background on Immersyve 

    4:35   Self-Determination Theory

    6:33   Motivation Myths

    10:00   The Need to Believe

    14:12   The Need to Belong

    15:21   The Need to Succeed

    17:10   Connecting Purpose to Individual Tasks

    22:34   Obstacles to Creating a Space of Belonging 

    28:49   Overcoming Challenges to Succeed

    30:53   Promotions vs. Skill Growth

    33:38   The Fundamental Shift in Employee Engagement

    38:59   Motivating Employees Working Remotely

    42:09   “ROW” Workplaces

    44:03   Countering Arguments Against Reward Structures

    47:32   Rewards vs. Recognition

    51:15   Scott’s Billboard

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    For more information on the topics covered in this episode:

    Immersyve 

    How to Stop Engagement Benchmarks from Hurting Employee Engagement

    Think Like Amazon: 50 1/2 Ideas to Become a Digital Leader by John Rossman

    Connect with Scott via email or on LinkedIn | Twitter 

    Connect with Host, David Millay:
    Connect w/ David Millay on LINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmillay/
    Follow David on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/david.millay/
    Follow David Millay on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DavidMillay

    55 min
  • Harnessing the True Power of Community in Your Fanbase w/ Christina Garnett

    The power of community emerges when companies embrace the directional relationship members form not just with their brand, but with other members.  In this episode, Christina Garnett, senior marketing manager for offline community and advocacy at HubSpot, joins David to talk about the magic of tapping into common passions and making your fans the hero of the story. 

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    Show Notes

    2:21  Community vs. Audience

    4:47  The Road to HubSpot

    8:59  Gleaning Community Insights from Gary V

    11:54  Bored Ape’s Country Club

    13:59  The HubFans Community 

    15:20  The Hierarchy of Community Needs

    18:44  Showing Raw Emotions

    24:29  Categorizing and Rewarding HubSpot Fans

    27:38  HubSpot Inbound Correspondents

    31:48  Turning Internal Needs into External Opportunities

    35:26  Bringing Your Fans Closer

    39:41  Magic of Social Listening

    43:14  The Little Moments That Matter

    44:14  Ask Your Fans What They Want

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    For more about topics covered in this episode:

    HubSpot CRM Platform

    HubFans: HubSpot’s Advocacy Program

    Christina’s Hierarchy of Community Needs


    Connect with Christina on Twitter


    Connect with Host, David Millay:
    Connect w/ David Millay on LINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmillay/
    Follow David on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/david.millay/
    Follow David Millay on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DavidMillay

    55 min
  • Forging a Non-Traditional Career Path w/ Paul Millerd

    In the last two years, individuals have challenged the traditional scripts of career paths, a factor contributing to the Great Resignation. On today’s episode, we sit down with Paul Millerd, a solopreneur and author of “The Pathless Path: Imagining a New Story for Work and Life.”  Since leaving his corporate consulting career, Paul has studied the concepts behind burnout, work-life balance and the economic impact on the current job market.

    This episode provides insight to employees willing to leave full-time jobs to explore and experiment and how you might be able to retain them and increase their value to your organization.

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    Show Notes

    3:02   Background to “The Pathless Path”

    4:41    Wonder vs. Comfort

    8:22    Conquering Fears

    10:00    The Economic Reasons Why “It’s Not Worth It”

    14:06     What is Work?

    17:39    The True Cause of Burnout

    21:06    Purpose is Personal

    26:19    Defining “Enough”

    31:10   The “Script of Success”

    33:09    Defining Success in Creative Work

    38:08    Rewriting the Script as Leaders

    42:39    Defining Output

    44:44    Paul’s Billboard

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    For more on the topics we covered in this episode:

    Learn more about Paul’s journey and research -

    Book: The Pathless Path

    Podcast: Reimagine Work

    Writing: Think Boundless


    Connect with Paul on LinkedIn or Twitter

    Google’s 80/20 rule

    Connect with Host, David Millay:
    Connect w/ David Millay on LINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmillay/
    Follow David on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/david.millay/
    Follow David Millay on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DavidMillay

    48 min
  • Storytelling and Personifying a Brand Voice w/ Amie Kiehn

    In this episode, we are joined by Amie Kiehn, Social Leader and Head of Community for Gondola.  During Amie’s time with the Carolina Panthers, she cultivated a brand personality across their social media platforms with a voice known for its wit and snark.  Rather than just focusing on events, Amie and her team connected with fans by listening to the community and experimenting with creative content and comments on other viral posts. 

    We cover everything from brand personas, content calendars (or lack thereof), understanding the creative process and "work-life balance."


    Show Notes

    3:56       Punking Her Way Into Social Media 

    8:31       Humanizing the Panthers’ Social Voice 

    13:16    Prioritizing Social Content and Saying No

    17:15     What Content Calendar?

    19:49     Just Try It!

    32:43     Misunderstood Aspects of the Creative World

    35:08     Content Creators are Your Brand Ambassadors

    40:28     That Elusive “Work-Life Balance”

    46:32     Parting Advice: Managing Creatives

    For more on info on topics covered in this show:

    Carolina Panthers social media (Facebook | Twitter | Instagram | YouTube | TikTok)

    Gondola - Show Off the Content You Make

    Connect with Amie on Twitter | LinkedIn

    Shout out to Neil Larson, Detroit Lions (Twitter | LinkedIn)

    Connect with Host, David Millay:
    Connect w/ David Millay on LINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmillay/
    Follow David on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/david.millay/
    Follow David Millay on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DavidMillay

    55 min
  • Moving to a 32-Hour Work Week w/ Josh Foreman

    It’s not every day we are turning to global debt collection companies for inspiration.  Today’s episode features InDebted CEO Josh Foreman.  Josh had a vision for creating a customer-centric debt collection agency and the organization has more than 2,000 5-star reviews on Google.  While we dig into some of the strategies and tactics that led to those reviews, this conversation largely focuses on the employee experience.  In September 2021, InDebted moved to a 4-day, 32-hour work week.  We provide a full roadmap for implementing the asynchronous work schedule in your organization.

    Show Notes

    2:51   Background on InDebted

    4:39   Meeting Your Customers Where They Are

    5:52   Staying Up on Consumer Trends

    7:23   Giving a Debt Collector Positive Reviews?

    9:38   Leveraging Technology to Deliver Customer Service

    11:42    Differentiating InDebted’s Employee Experience

    14:15   Piloting the 32-Hour Work Week

    16:37   Countering the “Decreased Productivity” Argument

    18:39   Setting Company Goals

    21:43   Asynchronous Work

    24:24   Balancing 32 Hours and Getting the Job Done

    28:21   Pulse Checks

    33:14   The Great Attraction

    37:47   Remote Working Stipends

    42:41   Parting Advice


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    For more information on topics covered in this episode:

    About InDebted 

    Connect with Josh on LinkedIn

    Loom: Async Video Messaging

    Connect with Host, David Millay:
    Connect w/ David Millay on LINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmillay/
    Follow David on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/david.millay/
    Follow David Millay on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DavidMillay

    48 min
  • Learning to Lead Like Amazon w/ John Rossman

    To become the digital leader and business disruptor Amazon is today, the company has firmly operated on 14 leadership principles.  First and foremost, they are driven by customer obsession.

    This week, we are joined by John Rossman, managing partner of Rossman Partners, author and keynote speaker.  John spent nearly four years as an Amazon executive, responsible for launching and scaling the merchant integration team and Amazon Marketplace business, which accounts for more than 50% of all units sold on Amazon.com. Since leaving, he has helped organizations understand the strategies and core principles that propelled Amazon to success.

    Before you think “this isn’t applicable, I don’t have Amazon’s staff or budget", the tangible tactics can be applied to help businesses of all sizes excel.

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    Show Notes:

    2:44    Background to John’s Books

    6:02    Debunking the “I’m Not Amazon” myth

    9:14    5 Primary Lenses to Apply Digital Frameworks

    12:09   Speed vs. Agility

    14:44   Applying Amazon’s Leadership Principles to Decision Making

    17:33   Customer Obsession

    18:09   Are Right, A Lot

    20:18   One-Way Doors vs. Two-Way Doors

    21:12   Have a Backbone, Disagree and Commit

    24:04   “Best Customer Service is No Customer Service”

    28:55   The Empty Chair at the Table

    32:21   Amazon Prime is a Loyalty Program that Doesn’t Feel Like One

    34:49   Dive Deep

    38:48   Amazon’s Annual Planning Process

    43:55   Achievable vs. Stretch Goals

    45:09   Deliver Results

    46:33   Uncontrollable Outputs vs. Controllable Inputs

    49:21   Objectives and Key Results

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    For more info on topics covered in this episode:

    John’s Books

    The Amazon Way on IoT: 10 Principles for Every Leader from the World's Leading Internet of Things Strategies

    Think Like Amazon: 50 ½ Ideas to Become a Digital Leader

    The Amazon Way: Amazon’s 14 Leadership Principles


    Subscribe to John’s newsletter - The Digital Leader Newsletter and check out his website, The Amazon Way

    Connect with John via email 


    Other Books Recommended by John:

    Measure What Matters by John Doerr

    OKRs vs. KPIs

    Connect with Host, David Millay:
    Connect w/ David Millay on LINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmillay/
    Follow David on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/david.millay/
    Follow David Millay on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DavidMillay

    53 min
  • The Best Lessons We Learned in 100 Podcasts w/ David Millay and Katie Rudy

    Recently, we hit 100 episodes of Flip the Switch.  In this bonus edition, David Millay and Katie Rudy issue superlative awards to their favorite takeaways and break down the trends, experiments, and leadership lessons that have influenced their work with EngageMint. 

    *We’re a little off on some numbers in the episode but we have them all linked here*

    Most Fun: 

    Jesse Cole - Ep. 14 Fans First | Ep. 44 A Culture of Experimentation

    Rachel Jacobson - Ep. 65 High Speed, High Tech and High Growth


    Taught Us the Most:

    Peter Sorckoff - Ep. 82 Studying the Subconscious and Emotions of Fandom

    Nick Lawson - Ep. 17 Sponsorship that Engages, not Distracts


    Most Nervous to Record:

    Scott O’Neil - Ep. 88 Being Present, Authentic and Intentional

    Quint Studer - Ep. 34 From Patient Experience to Fan Experience

    Jared Spataro - Ep. 38 Modern Work and Digital Experiences

    Lee Cockerell - Ep. 55 Leadership Lessons from a Disney Legend


    Most Personal Episodes:

    Mike Millay - Ep. 30 The Business Behind ESPN Wide World of Sports Part One | Ep. 31 Part Two

    Rob Temple and Rick Jones - Ep. 59 Finding the Right Sponsorships for YOUR Fans


    Most Underrated Episode (seriously, listen to this one!)

    Steph Smith - Ep. 50 Designing Effective Remote Work Teams


    Single Frameworks That Impacted Us the Most:

    Think of Stadiums Like “Town Halls” - Nick Sautner Ep. 72 Enhancing Stadium Experiences Beyond Game Day

    “What Would Joy Do?” - Steven Van Bellegham Ep. 48 The Future of Customer Experience

    “Premium service doesn’t always require a premium price” - Barry Jacobson Ep. 25 Premium Service vs. Customer Service 

    “The shortest customer service speech” - Shep Hyken Ep. 56 Amaze Your Customers and Fans 


    Advice That Sticks Out That We Don’t Do:

    “Drive in Silence” - Troy Dannen Ep. 80 - College Leaders | Leading with Conviction and Empathy

    Write Thank You Notes - Jesse Cole 


    Episode We’ve Talked About the Most:

    Zoe Scaman - Ep. 57 How Fandom is Evolving

    Connect with Host, David Millay:
    Connect w/ David Millay on LINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmillay/
    Follow David on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/david.millay/
    Follow David Millay on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DavidMillay

    43 min
  • Evoking Emotional Connections with Fans Through Content w/ Zhaneé Anderson

    When we think about the fan experience today, it’s not just about their experience at a live event but how they interact directly and indirectly, how they engage and connect with your brand emotionally 24/7.  

    This episode, we are joined by rising star Zhaneé Anderson from the University of Texas creative team.  Throughout the conversation, David and Zhaneé touch on creating for different brands and audiences, developing emotional engaging stories and infusing personal styles into content.  

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    Show Notes

    3:12   Learning About a Brand’s Voice and Audience

    8:01   Balancing the Workload and Time Management

    9:44    Managing Content for the UT Brand vs. Individual Teams

    12:45    Creating Content for Specific Audiences

    15:43    Everything’s Content

    18:35    Providing Access through Social

    21:59    Striking Compromises and Deciding What’s Feasible

    23:50    Emotion > Quality Content

    26:57    Using Content to Drive Real Conversations

    35:23    Infusing Personal Creativity into Content

    39:15    Moving Beyond The “Intern Running Social Media”

    41:31    Zhanee’s Billboard

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    For more information on topics covered this episode:

    Check out some of Zhanee’s work: 

    Texas’ Real Conversations - Black History Month

    Texas Women’s Soccer: Facebook | Twitter | Instagram 

    Connect with Zhaneé on Twitter | LinkedIn


    Our other Longhorn podcast:

    Ep. 2 -  How Emotional Connections Lead to Economic Outcomes w/ Drew Martin

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    Connect with Host, David Millay:
    Connect w/ David Millay on LINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmillay/
    Follow David on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/david.millay/
    Follow David Millay on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DavidMillay

    45 min
  • Coaching to Success from the Boardroom to the Football Field w/ Joe Moglia

    A perfect fit for our 100th episode, guest Joe Moglia brings best practices and leadership insights from a unique career in football and the private sector.  Joe spent 16 years as a coach, became a business leader for Merrill Lynch and TD Ameritrade and served as CEO of TD Ameritrade for 7 years, before heading back to the football field to be head coach at Coastal Carolina.  He currently holds the titles of Chair of Athletics and Executive Director for Football for Coastal Carolina.  This episode covers his “BAM” leadership philosophy, the current state of college athletics and how it can better align with the business world.  

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    Show Notes

    4:02  What is an Executive Director for Football?

    6:23   Joe’s “BAM” philosophy

    9:16   Enforcing Standards & Accountability

    16:28   Providing the Right Incentives

    19:20   Creating Non-Traditional Incentives

    21:56   Operating the NCAA like Corporate America

    30:38   Designing a new Athletic Department

    34:23   Responsibilities vs. Titles

    37:55   Intrinsic and Extrinsic Motivations

    39:55   Adapting Leadership Styles to Learning Styles

    47:26   Prioritizing Workloads

    52:10   Joe’s Favorite Mentors

    55:31   Learning from Failure

    58:54   Joe’s Billboard

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    For more leadership insights from Joe Moglia, visit Moglia.com and check out his books:

    Coach Yourself to Success: Winning the Investment Game

    The Perimeter Attack Offense: The Key to Winning Football 


    Connect with Joe on
    Twitter or LinkedIn

    Connect with Host, David Millay:
    Connect w/ David Millay on LINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmillay/
    Follow David on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/david.millay/
    Follow David Millay on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DavidMillay

    1 hr 2 min
  • Turning Ordinary Game Days Into Extraordinary Experiences w/ David Millay and Katie Rudy

    It’s Super Bowl week and 70,000 fans will fill SoFi Stadium for that “bucket list” experience. The average sports fan may not witness a World Series, College Football Playoff or Super Bowl in person.  In this episode, David Millay and Katie Rudy discuss some of their favorite sporting events and how a focus on hospitality, premium spaces, concessions offerings and pregame shows can turn an ordinary game into an extraordinary experience.  

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    Have a topic you want us to go in on?  Reach out to us on Twitter @DavidMillay or @Katie_Rudy

    Connect with Host, David Millay:
    Connect w/ David Millay on LINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmillay/
    Follow David on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/david.millay/
    Follow David Millay on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/DavidMillay

    24 min

About Making the Fan

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Turn casual customers into faithful fans. And employees into evangelists. 

A dynamic show with different formats designed to help you grow average revenue per customer (ARPU) and reduce…