We're almost at the big 4-0 ourselves, and as we present the 39th studio episode of Making Tracks we welcome ILM's Animation Supervisor Hal Hickel for the first of a 3-part chat here on the show. We discuss episode 4 of Disney Gallery: The Mandalorian, look back at the 40th anniversary of The Empire Strikes Back, discuss more rumours swirling around The Mandalorian and remember Ken Nightingall and Charles Lippincott.

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