Broadcaster and magnificent person Margaret Cabourn-Smith joins Isy for a wide-ranging chat taking in engagement rings, bad sex, mis-shapen balls, making emotional decisions, going to bed with Posh Spice, Caravans On Tour, crying on the job and penises with pincers, plucking pubes. This was recorded in front of an audience of real live human beings way back in February 2020 - thanks to spiritual home The Phoenix for having us.

Please do help spread the word about the series - it really helps! And do seek out Isy's new book 'Jane Is Trying', which is available in all the usual places.

Do watch Margaret in the brilliant Motherland on BBC iPlayer, and listen to her in the sublime John Finnemore's Souvenir Programme on BBC Sounds (though not at the same time) and whilst you're at it, why not follow her on Twitter @MCabournSmith.

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