John is joined by Mark Cuban, the billionaire former owner of Dallas Mavericks and recently departed star of ABC's Shark Tank, to discuss his new role as Kamala Harris’s most voluble—and arguably most valuable—backer in the business world. Cuban explains why he likens Harris to a start-up CEO in “founder mode;” how her policies would benefit business (especially small business) more than those of Donald Trump; why Trump’s push for sweeping tariffs is “lunacy,” his answers to economic policy questions are “gibberish,” and his business practices are the most unethical Cuban has ever seen. Cuban also opines about Trump’s most powerful business backer, arguing that there are “two Elon Musks”: one a brilliant entrepreneur, the other a “shitty-ass troll.”

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