John welcomes retired Lieutenant General Mark Hertling to discuss the Trump administration’s air strikes against alleged Venezuelan drug boats and the mounting charges that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth may be guilty of a war crime – or just plain murder. Hertling, who served as commander of U.S. Army Europe among other posts, offers a withering perspective on Hegseth’s explanations of his role in the disputed strike and his leadership of the Pentagon writ large; a stark assessment of where the metastasizing story is headed next; and a fraught view of the fragile state of civilian-military relations in Trump 2.0.

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