We welcome back Mark Streeter and Jamie Baker from JP Morgan Chase.  We discuss what happened in 2024 and what's likely to happen in 2025 in commercial aviation.

The conversation provides a comprehensive update on the airline industry, focusing on market trends, capacity discipline, leasing strategies, and financial maneuvers such as sale leasebacks. The speakers discuss the implications of these factors for 2024 and beyond, highlighting the evolving dynamics of the airline market and the influence of OEMs on capacity and leasing strategies. They also reflect on unexpected developments in aircraft recovery and the overall financial health of airlines. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of airline profitability, particularly focusing on Spirit Airlines and its challenges in competing with major players like Delta. They discuss the evolving business models in the airline industry, emphasizing the shift from traditional loyalty programs to more currency-like systems. The conversation also touches on consumer behavior, the changing dynamics of airline club experiences, and the cultural value that airlines like Southwest bring to the table. Looking ahead to 2025, the speakers share their predictions for the industry, highlighting potential shifts and opportunities.