The American experiment—even the future of liberalism—feels exhausted. What’s a theologian to do about this? How can serious thinking about religion contribute uniquely to a flourishing political and moral discourse? How can it be done with both a sense of conviction, but also a spirit of humility?

To unpack this, Rabbi Ari spoke to his good friend, fellow podcaster and professor of theology at Baylor University, Matthew L. Anderson. They talked: how to do public theology; is there an evangelical intellectual tradition?; religion and digital media; what you learn as a preacher’s kid (or grandkid!); pronatalism; the perils and value of nations; the future of liberalism; and much more!

Good Faith Effort is a production of Bnai Zion and SoulShop.