Emma and I start this episode by catching up and talking through Pope Leo’s recent comments on sexual morality—what was said, what it reflects, and how it continues to shape the way LGBTQ people are understood in the life of the Church. Rather than just reacting, we sit with what these conversations do: how they draw boundaries, reinforce certain narratives, and leave others out.

From there, Emma brings in her work on archiving LGBTQ histories, offering a perspective that widens the frame. Through three historical figures, we explore what it means to see ourselves as part of a much longer story—one that challenges the idea that LGBTQ people are new, marginal, or outside the tradition. It’s a conversation about memory, erasure, and how history can change the way we understand the present.