Jay and Caleb sit down with loving, supportive, encouraging online-listener, Shawn Birss!

Shawn was a patsor in an "autonomous, independent, highly charismatic, apostolic, highly-hierarchical, controlling church" not too long ago.. Shawn is now a strong, enduring, and inspiring example of how to live out Love in a very raw and honest way. We love this person!

@queerexpastor

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