Wendy and Stuart meet Dr. Melanie Joy, a Harvard-educated psychologist and pioneering thought leader in the psychology of eating animals and social transformation. She coined the term "carnism" - the invisible belief system conditioning people to eat certain animals – and is the founding president of the organisation Beyond Carnism.

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Recorded at Distorted Podcast Studios and produced by Jim Moore at ⁠Bloody Vegan Productions⁠.