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In this episode, we once again come back to the conversation we had last week about circumcision with some clarification from those who hold other positions. Those in the Torah movement that don’t believe the Torah commands adult male circumcision are not saying it is a bad thing, but rather, that there is simply no command in Torah for adult males to be circumcised. We discuss this and give our take on it.

We look at passage such as the Passover narrative and discuss if this is in fact a command for adults to be circumcised. Also, what about Yeshua’s statement that He will not eat the Passover again until He does so in the Kingdom. Will Yeshua require circumcision to partake with Him since it is a command to do so in the Torah?

• 3:31 Start

• 4:50 Free Class on Hebrew for Passover

• 13:14 Is Circumcision Mandated After 8th day?

FREE Class – Hebrew for Passover by Rob Vanhoff

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In this episode, we discuss Paul’s circumcision of Timothy and why Paul would do such a thing if he believed circumcision was done away with. We also look at Galatians 2 and Titus not being compelled to be circumcised.

We also discuss the idea of being “cut off” and what this may mean. If a believer should be circumcised, then what happens if they’re not? Does this mean they are cut off? This leads to a conversation about the idea by many believers that a person can lose their salvation.

• 3:31 Start

• 10:48 Why Did Paul Circumcise Timothy?

• 23:55 Titus and Circumcision

• 34:02 Is Circumcision of the Heart Enough?

• 43:03 Was Circumcision on for Passover?

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In this episode, we discuss Acts 10 and Peter’s vision. Does God really show Peter that the dietary laws found in the Law are no longer applicable for believers in Yeshua? We look at this passage and discuss why we think this interpretation does not line up with biblical theology as a whole. In order to show this we look at several other passages in the Scriptures.

If Peter’s vision is about the dietary laws no longer being applicable for believers, why does God talk about clean and unclean food in the prophecies of Revelation and Isaiah? We discuss these passages and how why Peter’s vision is not about kosher food.

• 3:34 Start

• 5:17 What is the “Root” in Romans 11

• 14:21 Acts 10 and Peter’s Vision

• 24:18 Cain and Abel’s Sacrifice

• 28:29 Kosher with a Non Observant Spouse

• 40:41 Did Yeshua Wear Tefillin?

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In this episode, we look at several passages from the book of Galatians that the Church has commonly used to say the laws of Moses are no longer required to be kept by believers. Specifically, we look at Gal. 4:21-26 and 5:3. What does it mean that a person who is circumcised is obligated to keep the whole law? And also, why does Paul equate Hagar with the covenant of Sinai? Doesn’t this prove that the law is a bad thing?

Throughout our conversation, we continue to point these passages back to the Gospel message that Paul proclaims in Galatians 3:8 and the curse that he talks about in 3:10. These references are central to Paul’s point in the rest of the book.

• 3:31 Start

• 9:47 Boil a Kid in Mother’s Milk

• 21:44 Understanding Galatians 5.3

• 38:26 Two Kinds of Seed in One Field

•46:46 Galatians 4.21-26

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Paul’s Epistle to the Galatians Commentary – by Tim Hegg

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In this episode, we have several discussions, one that looks at places where the Scriptures talk about what happened when Yeshua died on the cross and if the Father’s wrath was poured out on the Son, then we turn to a discussion about the difference between Acts 15:1 and 15:5. We then return to our conversation about the wrath of God and what this “wrath” actually would look like in relationship wo the cross.

Another discussion we have looks at the difference between the Masoretic text and the Greek LXX. What do we do with the difference we find in the quoted scripture of the New Testament where the Greek translation of the Bible is quoted? Going through some examples we attempt to show the differences and how these should be viewed.

• 3:31 Start

• 7:22 Did God Pour Out His Wrath on Christ?

• 19:00 Difference Between Acts 15:1 and 15:5

• 29:54 What Exactly is God’s Wrath?

• 37:37 Masoretic Text VS LXX

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In this episode, we start by looking at a common theological position within Christianity that believes a person was justified through the sacrificial system before Christ came. According to this position, a person was justified by the blood of the sacrifices, something that had to be done continually, but Christ came to make it so that people no longer had to offer sacrifices. Now we are justified through faith in Yeshua the Messiah.

It is our position that the sacrificial system did not deal with justification of the soul in the spiritual realm, but that it dealt with physical defilement of sin in this world and the physical space of the temple. According to our belief, salvation has always been through faith in Yeshua, both before and after He came to earth. Passages focused on in this episode are Hebrews 10:4 and Lev. 17:11.

• 3:46 Start

• 12:33 Sacrifices and Justification

• 23:43 The Heart is an Element

• 36:23 Leviticus

• 17:11 43:32 Physical VS Spiritual

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In this episode, we discuss the claim by many that keeping the Torah as a believer in Yeshua places a person in the synagogue of Satan and following the doctrine of Demons. This claim has become a standard go to by many within the mainstream Christian Church when faced with people who want to follow the laws of God. We look at prophetic texts that suggest Gentiles will keep the laws of God when Yeshua comes back and reigns from Jerusalem. We also look at several texts from Paul that uphold and speak of the Law of God as a wonderful thing, not something that should be seen as from Satan.

We also discuss being unclean in our modern time and if Yeshua fulfilled this, and a conversation about Acts 17:30 and what the time of ignorance is.

• 3:29 Start

• 6:22 Doctrine of Demons

• 28:44 The Law of Moses is the Law of Sin & Death?

• 42:22 Did Yeshua do away with ritual purity?

• 55:00 Acts 17.30

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In this episode, we look at the Greek word “Koinas” and how its used in the New Testament. This word has several different meanings and is often times translated “common” but this word can mean some other things as well. Koinas is used by Jewish groups to mean people who are not part of the “in crowd” or are outside the groups graces for various reasons. Such a meaning can be seen in places like Mark 7 and Acts 10 when the word “common” is meant as someone who is on the outside of the mainstream group.

We also cover a couple other topics as well, including how to read sensitive biblical content with your children and if the Jewish prayers that are found in the traditional Jewish siddur today date back to the first century.

• 3:15 Start

• 7:45 The Wide Range of the Word Koinas

• 16:33 Koinas used for outsiders

• 33:52 Liturgy in the First Century

• 45:43 Tzitzit for Believers

• 55:27 Sensitive Content in the Bible and Kids

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In this episode, we look at a question that has popped up for many about the idea that the God of the Bible is part of Ancient Near Eastern religious evolution. This theology was pushed significantly by Dr. Michael Heiser before he died in books like “Unseen Realms” among others. We discuss Heiser’s theological positions and look at various subjects like the idea that El Elyon is distinct from YHVH and is a chief deity. We also talk briefly about the idea of a “council of the gods,” something Heiser was big on. 

This is not the first time we have discussed Dr. Heiser’s work on our show. Every time we touch on this topic we see a significant amount of Heiser supporters come forward and claim we have not read Heiser or that we are intentionally misrepresenting him. This, however, is not a good argument against our criticisms. When faced with works that Heiser wrote that are not widely read (like his Ph.D dissertation) many of our critics fall silent. In this episode, Rob challenges supporters of Heiser to produce specific evidence of manuscripts referenced in Heiser’s work. 

• 2:32 Start

• 8:30 Jonathan’s Email 

• 12:27 Heiser’s legacy and theological issues

• 22:44 Responding to Poor Theology

• 36:06 El Elyon and YHVH

• 48:23 Responding to Heiser’s Followers

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In this episode we, we begin by looking at a comment on X that suggests John 10:29-30, where Yeshua is in the temple during Hanukkah, is not referring to the “Hanukkah” we celebrate and remember today, but is talking about the dedication of the temple in Ezra 6. While such a debate is sometimes brought up, the evidence is simply not there to continue to believe such a view. Historically, the Jews and Israel celebrated the dedication of the temple after the Maccabean revolt. This historical event also sheds light on some of the context in the Apostolic Scriptures (New Testament) and why some mainstream Christian beliefs don’t take this historical event into account.

We then move to a conversation about the law of God. Psalm 1 tells us to meditate on the law of God day and night. Is this Psalm referring to the whole 66 book canon or is it referring to the first five books specifically? This leads to a question that many ask, is the Torah more important than the rest of Scripture, or is all of the 66 book canon on the same level as God’s Word?

• 3:33 Start

• 7:34 Did Yeshua Celebrate Hanukkah?

• 19:23 Does this really even matter?

• 24:47 Hanukkah as an Important Backdrop

• 31:30 How People Came to This Argument

• 42:42 Is the Torah More Important?

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