Messy Social Work

Messy Social Work

By Rich and TimScienceSocial Sciences
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Messy Social Work episodes

  • Community Care Editor, Mithran on the latest social work headlines

    Josh MacAlister has said he’d like children to have a choice of where and with whom they live:

    https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2025/10/02/children-in-care-should-have-choice-of-where-and-with-whom-they-live-says-macalister/

     Applications to register children’s homes are rocketing, such that Ofsted is having to prioritise applications, leaving others having to wait up to 18 months.

    https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2025/10/13/some-childrens-homes-face-waits-of-up-to-18-months-to-register-under-new-ofsted-policy/

     Also, spending on looked-after children ate up all of the increase in spending in children’s services in 2024-25, with such spending pressures generally attributed to significant rises in residential care costs.

    https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2025/09/24/childrens-services-spending-increase-absorbed-entirely-by-care-system-last-year-figures-show/

    Community Care Live from Jahnine Davis, on her findings from a year as the kinship ambassador.

    45 min
  • Dr Paul Shuttleworth on what children want you to know about kinship

    In this episode of the Messy Social Work Podcast, Rich and Tim speak with Dr Paul Shuttleworth about his new book Listening to Children about Kinship Care: Child Welfare and Permanence. Drawing on powerful research and direct testimony from children and young people, Paul shares what they say really matters when professionals make decisions about kinship care, permanence, and support.

    We explore:

    • Why listening to children is essential in kinship care planning
    • The emotional and relational complexities of kinship arrangements
    • How professionals can better respond to what children actually need
    • The implications for policy, practice, and ethical social work

    This conversation is a must-listen for anyone working in child welfare, fostering, or family support — and for those committed to centering children's voices in decision-making.

    Paul's book; FREE to download: https://policy.bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/listening-to-children-about-kinship-care-child-welfare-and-permanence

    Paul and Sarah's podcast; https://rpkp27vtwpz24.podbean.com/

    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/

    Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

    1 hr 5 min
  • Dr Lorna Stabler about lived experience—its power, its promise, and its problems.

     In this episode, we explore why lived experience has become such a dominant force in social work, and ask: what are we missing when we treat it as unquestionable truth? Dr Stabler helps us think critically about how stories are used, who gets to tell them, and what happens when experience becomes currency. This is a conversation about ethics, representation, and the uncomfortable edges of practice. 


    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/

    Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

    1 hr 20 min
  • Rich and Tim reflect on their personal failures, explore why failure is inevitable, & share what they’ve learned from it.

    In this episode, Rich and Tim: How to Succeed at Failing, we reflect on the times we’ve got it wrong — professionally and personally — and explore why failure isn’t just inevitable, but essential. From missteps to lessons learned, we talk about how embracing failure can lead to growth, insight, and even unexpected success.



    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/

    Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

    49 min
  • Professor Rick Barth on the top misconceptions in child protection

    In this thoughtful and research-informed conversation, Rich and Tim speak with Professor Rick Barth about his influential article, “Ten Common Child Welfare Misconceptions.” The episode explores how widely held beliefs about child protection and foster care often diverge from evidence and practice realities.


    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/

    Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

    1 hr 16 min
  • Professor Harry Ferguson on the heart, history and future of social work

    In this episode, Rich and Tim sit down with Professor Harry Ferguson—one of the most influential thinkers in contemporary social work. Together, they explore the evolution of the profession, the emotional and embodied nature of frontline practice, and what we’ve learned from decades of child death enquiries. Harry reflects on the importance of relationships, the complexity of risk, and why social work must be both intellectually rigorous and deeply human. A must-listen for anyone interested in the heart, history, and future of social work.


    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/

    Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

    1 hr 33 min
  • Lee Crouch about his experience of losing his children & the journey toward reunification

    Rich and Tim speak to Lee Crouch, a parent activist, about losing his children, the long road to recovery, and eventual reunification. Together, they explore how parents, social workers, and foster carers can collaborate more compassionately. Rich and Tim also reflect on their own experiences of shame — how it’s shaped their work and personal lives — and what it means for practice and healing.


    Connect with Lee on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lee-crouch-257ab2248/

    Check out the hopeful disruptors event: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/reshaping-the-landscape-of-childrens-social-work-tickets-1374435115429?aff=oddtdtcreator

    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/

    Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

    56 min
  • Rich and Tim; 'Headlines with Mithran' (CC editor) and personal reflections on parenting

    Social Work England fee rise and increase in fitness to practise case numbers

    https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2025/07/24/social-work-england-presses-ahead-with-33-fee-rise-despite-huge-practitioner-opposition/

    https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2025/07/25/social-work-england-fee-hike-unjustifiable-and-based-on-tokenistic-consultation-warn-unison-and-basw/

    https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2025/07/29/psw-networks-sound-alarm-over-social-work-england-fee-rise/

    https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2025/08/14/huge-rise-in-fitness-to-practise-concerns-about-social-workers/

    Improving performance in children’s services – according to Ofsted

    42 min
  • Rich and Tim on how writing sharpens thinking, strengthens practice and opens doors

     In this conversation, Rich and Tim explore how writing isn’t just for blogs or books—it’s a powerful tool for social workers to think more clearly, practice more effectively, and create new opportunities. 

    Drawing on their own experiences, they discuss how the simple act of putting words on a page sharpens reflection, deepens analysis, and helps communicate ideas with confidence. 

    Whether you’re looking to improve your day-to-day practice, strengthen your professional voice, or even open unexpected doors, this episode makes the case for why every social worker should write.


    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/

    Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

    47 min
  • Rich and Tim debate: help individuals or change the system?

    In this episode of Messy Social Work, Rich and Tim debate (and disagree about): are social workers failing families by ignoring the system?

    It’s just the two of us this time, diving into one of the biggest tensions in the profession. Should we focus our energy on helping individual families build safety and stability? Or is that just papering over the cracks of a system that keeps producing harm?

    We’ve got strong opinions — and we don’t always agree

    Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

    Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme

    Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/

    Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/

    Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

    54 min

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Messy Social Work is a podcast for social workers, leaders, students and anyone interested in helping people navigate life's toughest challenges.


Hosted by Rich Devine and…