<p><a href= "https://www.city-journal.org/contributor/oliver-traldi_1796" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Oliver Traldi</a> joins <a href= "https://www.city-journal.org/contributor/theodore-kupfer_1774" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Theodore Kupfer</a> to discuss the role of expertise in American life, the origins and future of wokeness, and the sources of political belief.</p>

Oliver Traldi joins Theodore Kupfer to discuss the role of expertise in American life, the origins and future of wokeness, and the sources of political belief.

<p><a href="https://www.city-journal.org/contributor/oliver-traldi_1796" rel="noopener noreferrer">Oliver Traldi</a> joins <a href="https://www.city-journal.org/contributor/theodore-kupfer_1774" rel="noopener noreferrer">Theodore Kupfer</a> to discuss the role of expertise in American life, the origins and future of wokeness, and the sources of political belief.</p>

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