Christopher spent a decade in conversion therapy, emptied his savings, and checked himself into inpatient treatment—only to discover real healing when he finally named the grief and came out. In this conversation we unpack the cost of silence, the day a bishop moved to fire him over a podcast, the blurred lines between “healing ministry” and therapy, and how grief and gratitude can coexist. We discuss the work of Bob Schuchts, Jake Khym, the John Paul II Healing Center, and more. It’s a candid look at harm, accountability, and what mercy actually looks like in 2025.00:00 Grief, Gratitude and Conversion Therapy04:05 Facing Discrimination and Employment Challenges08:06 The Complexity of Faith and Sexuality19:09 The Role of Therapy and Healing Retreats26:01 Conversion Therapy and Its Emotional Toll29:10 Theological Issues and Conversion Therapy31:58 Unethical Practices in Conversion Therapy35:39 Podcast Debate and Listener Reactions38:01 Ethical Concerns and Mixed Relationships46:42 Final Reflections and Call for Accountability

Catholic bishops are backing conversion therapy at the U.S. Supreme Court—even though research shows it nearly doubles suicide risk for LGBTQ+ people. This episode unpacks the clash between Catholic teaching, psychology, and the law. I dive into the bishops’ arguments, the blurred line between therapy and spiritual direction, and why defending conversion therapy is both a theological and moral scandal.00:00 Conversion Therapy and the Catholic Church00:57 Distinguishing Spiritual Direction from Psychological Counseling03:16 Critique of the Catholic Bishops' Stance04:35 Conclusion and Future Outlook