In this eye-opening discussion, Joe and Kyle learn about one family’s connection to the earliest days of Victoria. Fern Perkins’ ancestors were the first Métis family to call Victoria home. Her great, great, great, grandfather Charles Ross was friends with Sir James Douglas and helped build Fort Victoria for the Hudson’s Bay Company in 1843. In a surprising twist that Fern didn’t realize until later in life, her husband Mark also had ties to the early days of Victoria. Mark’s great great great grandfather was Peter Skene Ogden, the man Ogden Point is named after. In this episode we learn about Fern’s journey in discovering her Indigenous past. We also discuss reconciliation, land acknowledgements, the history of W̱SÁNEĆ First Nations, and Fern’s message to everyone during this National Indigenous History Month.