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Caroline asks Claude (yes, the AI) to settle a mid-marriage word fight — and it doesn't go how you'd think. Eva and Caroline record their first-ever remote episode and immediately start bickering about lighting. From there: the great camp-letter drought, a 5-minute phone call that ends in "Mom, the counselor's looking at me," Eva's golf debut and her sudden mastery of terms like "compression," and a full spiral of envy over the carefree, helmet-free energy of Nantucket. A messy, funny check-in on camp season and everything it stirs up.

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Chapters:

• 0:00 – Welcome + first remote recording nerves
• 0:48 – Camp episode recap & the great photo shortage
• 2:14 – Getting camera-ready (dodging photos, "profesh" setups)
• 3:38 – The Sandy airport story
• 5:53 – Landing in Maine vs. JFK
• 8:07 – Camp letters: "a little fun" vs. "a good time"
• 10:02 – Mail then vs. now (the empty envelope)
• 11:27 – The 5-minute phone call: "Mom, wrap it up"
• 14:06 – Killing plants (RIP to Helen's garden)
• 16:20 – Dog food instructions and other adult failures
• 18:54 – "Two things can be true": missing home and enjoying camp
• 21:04 – Tech glitch + the Claude cameo
• 22:55 – Asking Claude to fact-check a word choice mid-fight
• 25:03 – The Nantucket envy monologue
• 28:43 – Letting kids do hard things (and not offering an out)
• 32:37 – Sign-off

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Zibby Owens — author, podcaster, and founder of a media and publishing company — joins Eva and Caroline to talk divorce, reinventing your identity after years as a stay-at-home mom, and starting over at 40 through dating and remarriage. The conversation kicks off, though, with a parenting disaster: a school "puberty prep" video with hyperlinked FAQs that gave her fourth grader a full definition list he was never supposed to see. From there it goes everywhere — the slow accumulation of small decisions that ends a marriage, what it takes to rebuild a life afterward, and why Zibby's open about using weight-loss medication to quiet the "food noise" she'd carried since childhood. She also gives the first-ever preview of her upcoming memoir, Between Chapters, out September 27th.

Word of the week: reinvention. Book of the week: Between Chapters by Zibby Owens.

00:00 The school video that went horribly wrong
 —:— Divorce and the small decisions that add up
 —:— Rebuilding an identity after "just" a stay-at-home mom
 —:— Dating and remarrying at 40
 —:— Weight-loss medication and quieting food noise
 —:— Between Chapters — first preview

Shownotes:

• Website: zibbyowens.com (home of her Substack "Zibby's Highlights," covering books, life, and stories) 
• Podcast: Totally Booked with Zibby (formerly Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books) includes daily interviews centered around books, authors, and story creators in 30 minutes or less 
• Book pre-order: Between Chapters, out September 27th — you can pre-order here -- https://zibbymedia.com/products/between-chapters
• Instagram: @zibbyowens 
• Bookstore: Zibby's Bookshop — located at 1113 Montana Avenue, Santa Monica, CA, with an online shop as well 
• Zibby Substack: @zibbyowens 
• On Being Jewish Now: https://onbeingjewishnow.substack.com/ 

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It's supposed to be refreshing. Instead, we're hitting refresh. Eva and Caroline are recording from the summer studio for the first time this season, and all anyone can talk about is camp — specifically the very particular madness of being a parent who just sent a child to sleepaway camp for the first time. Caroline is forty-eight hours in and kidsick. Eva has already mistaken another child for her daughter on the Campanion app. And somehow none of this is surprising.

They get into how camps have had to send formal written warnings to parents — please do not diagnose medical conditions from photos, please do not bribe your child to pose for the photographer, do not expect photos for the first three days — because the average camp parent has become so unhinged that the director's job is now half therapy, half crisis management, half explaining to grown adults that their kid standing alone in a photo does not mean they have no friends. They talk about the overpacking arms race, the medication spreadsheets, the Zoom therapists, the tutors, the two full-time photographers, and the charter planes — and whether any of it is actually for the kid or just anxiety management with a shopping component.

But underneath all the chaos is something real: we were raised in a world of benign neglect, and we survived. We had first kisses at camp, we changed our names for the summer, we had brothers who didn't shower for six days and developed a rash you'd only see in a third-world country, and nobody called anybody's parents. And we turned out (mostly) fine. The question is whether we're raising a generation that will.

Eva changed her name to Stephanie for an entire summer and was Lower Camper Captain. Caroline's mother wrote a letter promising caviar to celebrate her grandson’s return. And somewhere in Maine, a boy in a linen suit is having the time of his life while his mother scans 500 photos looking for his face.

Book of the week: The Interestings by Meg Wolitzer — six kids at an arts camp in 1974 who decide they're destined for greatness, and the decades that follow. Everything you love and grieve about the friendships you make at camp.

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The episode that started with a drug addict emptying his pockets into a tip jar at seven in the morning and ended with an explosive diarrhea metaphor — and everything in between was somehow coherent. 

Eva and Caroline walk through every generation from the Greatest to Gen Alpha, and what strikes them most isn't just how each generation disappointed the one before it, but how the pendulum keeps swinging. The Greatest Generation stormed Normandy. Gen Z stormed college campuses in kaffiyehs. Caroline has been to Normandy, and it's humbling.

Also, why Gen X latchkey kids grew up to raise the most anxious generation in history, how the millennial burnout became a cautionary tale Caroline watched in real time, what happens when a moral vacuum gets filled with woke ideology instead of religion, and why the only plastic surgery philosophy that matters is the Barbra Streisand exception. They also ask Claude to define what a woman is. It goes about as well as you'd expect. 

The Tyler Fish bisexual bit. The Barbie-Ken gender crisis. The "never has a generation documented so much and achieved so little" meme. And a book recommendation from Deborah Spar that every woman in her twenties should read.

Disclaimer: these are two unexpert observationists who are not anthropologists, not historians, and definitely not your doctor. They are, however, right about most of this.

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The movers came for the art first. Caroline's apartment walls are bare, the iconic portrait is boxed up and Miami-bound, and the move that's been theoretical for months just got very, very real.

Eva walks in and both of them feel it — this is the end of something. What follows is one of their most honest conversations yet: about June as the cruelest month, about grieving things that aren't technically gone, about whether you can ever actually be present for the moments that matter most. Eva's middle son just graduated. Caroline is packing up a New York life. They're both in it.

This episode goes deep on the pace of modern life, the one-third of Americans on SSRIs statistic, why Shabbat might be onto something, what New York City does and doesn't give you anymore, and Ferris Bueller's surprisingly correct take on time. Plus Mitch Hedberg, the rubber band marriage theory, and a kindergarten report card that explains everything about Caroline.

Funny, sad, and very M&M. Don't miss this one.

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What does getting dressed actually say about you? This week Eva and Caroline sit down with Jessie Freschl — entrepreneur, personal stylist, and founder of three businesses — for a conversation about fashion that keeps going somewhere deeper than anyone expected.

Jessie built her career working with women at every stage of life: new mothers whose bodies had shifted, professionals stepping into bigger roles, women who simply needed someone to be present with them in the most private room in their home. Her nonprofit Repurpose takes luxury excess and redirects it to students entering fashion and creative industries. Her newest company, Turnstile, is a tech platform helping women unlock the potential of the closets they already have.

And then there's the E. Jean Carroll story — given 48 hours notice, asked to dress Carroll for her trial against President Trump, and pulling from her own nonprofit's resale inventory because no designer labels were allowed in that courtroom.

The conversation covers the psychology of styling, mirror meditation, how bodies change from your twenties to your fifties and what clothes can do about it, conscious consumption versus fast fashion, and what it really means to let someone into your closet — which is almost always also letting them into your life.

Also covered: Golda Meir's Milwaukee roots, the movie Chef, sweatpants as surrender, and what Eva ate before recording that everyone immediately noticed.

Unfiltered. Unafraid. Unexpert. New episodes every Thursday.

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SHOWNOTES: 

https://www.jessiefreschl.com/

Janelle Monáe  Yoga

MY LIFE 

https://www.amazon.com/My-Life-Golda-Meir/dp/0440156564

CHEF 

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/chef_2014

AS A JEW 

https://www.amazon.com/As-Jew-Reclaiming-Story-Those/dp/0063374978

Psychology of Styling

https://open.substack.com/pub/freschtakes/p/the-psychology-of-styling?r=18lt3h&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

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No guest this week -- just Eva and Caroline, completely unplanned and fully themselves. Caroline spent Mother's Day schlepping to Boston and clocking the timestamp on a gift purchased exactly 32 minutes before dinner. And her dog ate the one piece that makes the entire vacuum-sealed coat bag functional, and in that moment, she understood her marriage perfectly. Their husbands are the hook. They are everything underneath it.

This episode covers the full emotional range of modern motherhood: the Mother's Day receipt audit, Jeremy's stress-test triumph, the case for Shabbat dinner, past-life regression, parallel play in marriage and why the phone is destroying it.

Word of the week is factotum — Latin for do everything, also another word for mom.

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Our fashion correspondent Jennifer Galante Hahn is back on the couch — and this time we're going deep on the most loaded object in New York City: the Hermès Birkin. What happens when the ultimate status symbol becomes the default? When a teenager at a crepe shop gets excited about her mom's new Birkin and her friends just look back down at their phones? When someone abandons one at a Tribeca play space? 

Jen, who is the founder of La Volta NYC, a luxury consignment business helping wealthy women rehome their unwanted bags to other wealthy women (Nobel Peace Prize forthcoming), walks us through the real difference between status and style; why Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy had both, and most Instagram influencers have neither; and why you should never have a real Birkin if your tits are that fake. 

We also get into: Lauren Sanchez Bezos and why Eva misjudged her completely, the Net-a-Porter brown bag trick for hiding deliveries from your husband, money laundering via Venmo, the Prada puffer brigade at school pickup, the child who drew a cartoon house on someone's Hermès Birkin and how her grandmother denied everything, and why every designer sunglass brand licenses to the same company — so stop overpaying. 

Word of the Week: Style 

Book of the Week: What Remains by Carole Radziwill 

Story of the Week: The grandmother who denied her granddaughter drew on the Birkin. She denied it. 

Mic'd & Medicated — real talk about the things everyone is thinking but nobody is saying out loud. New episodes every Thursday.

SHOWNOTES:

Jen Galante Han

website: http://www.lavoltanyc.com

Instagram: @lavoltnyc 

The No Stress Club: @thenostressclub

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Dr. Logan Levkoff has spent her career doing the work most people are too uncomfortable to do — teaching kids and teens about sex, consent, relationships, and their bodies. She's been doing it for over two decades, in some of New York City's most prestigious schools.

On March 16th, she was fired. Not because of anything that happened in a classroom. But because a group of parents objected to her public identity as a proud Zionist, the administration found a pretext to let her go. The smoking gun? A retweet. Written by a trans woman, defending Israel.

Dr. Logan joins Eva and Caroline for one of our most important conversations to date. We get into the firing, the witch hunt, the instafada, why Zionism is code for Jew, the deafening silence of feminist movements after October 7th, and what it means to raise proud Jewish children in this moment.

Oh, and it turns out she taught Caroline sex ed in eighth grade. So buckle up! 

Mic'd & Medicated — real talk about the things everyone is thinking but nobody is saying out loud.

New episodes every Thursday.

SHOWNOTES:

Logan's Show

https://www.loganlevkoff.com/the-sexy-side-of-zionism

Book of the week: Be A Refusnik

https://a.co/d/01itQ4R5

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What does a drawer full of old underwear have to do with your emotional blind spots? More than you'd think. 

This week, Caroline and Eva tackle spring cleaning — and quickly realize that it's a perfect metaphor for everything: your closet, your relationships, your mindset, and yes, your lingerie situation. 

They dig into construal level theory (why it's easier to give advice than take it), the Jewish concept of Seder and order, Marie Kondo's fatal flaw, road rage, meditation, grounding yourself in nature, and why the best perspective sometimes comes from your friend ruthlessly going through your underwear drawer. 

Word of the Week: Winnow. 

Book of the Week: I'm Glad My Mom Died by Jennette McCurdy.

https://www.amazon.com/Im-Glad-My-Mom-Died/dp/1982185821

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