Responsible for writing the hit bestselling book “Fire and Fury” and setting off Trump during his first term, journalist and bestselling author Michael Wolff joins Rick to share everything he’s been hearing about the White House. On a book tour for his new book, “All Or Nothing: How Trump Recaptured America,” Michael convenes with Rick to share their latest WH stories — and spill the tea — from how Trump ran his 2024 campaign to the discipline of political shark Susie Wiles to Elon Musk (enough said) to Trump's fear-inducing "call cycle" to the inevitable leakers in the White House to Trump treating AG Pam Bondi like his personal secretary to Boris Epshteyn to Signalgate to WH Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt and Steven Cheung...this episode sheds light on what's really happening inside the White House. 

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Please pick up a copy of Michael's latest book, “All Or Nothing: How Trump Recaptured America” (2025) wherever fine books are sold. 

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