Jeff was again joined Mike Gordon, the founder of Chilkoot Charlie's! They discuss his recent autobiography, "Learning the Ropes." In this episode they discuss his time on the Anchorage Assembly in the 1970s, how he was involved in the zoning of Anchorage, another bar he owned in Anchorage that became a gay bar, and how it got burned down, a bar he owned in Fairbanks, issues he had with Koot's during the pipeline boom, and an attempt to run away to Belize.