Mind Dive

This episode originally aired June 6, 2022. 

Not all great minds think alike. The path to understanding how to best nurture an autistic individual often begins with understanding their way of thinking. Dr. Temple Grandin poses that a great disservice is done to both society and the individual when we fail to focus on the strengths of those with autism spectrum disorder (ASD), limiting their lifestyle based on perceived weaknesses instead. 

Join this episode of Mind Dive podcast alongside hosts Dr. Kerry Horrell and Dr. Bob Boland as they discuss with Dr. Grandin the ways clinicians, parents and other role models can better advocate for their autistic children and nurture growth for a productive and fulfilling future. Also explored are the notable differences between object visualization and pattern visualization and how this relates to the understanding of neurodivergent thinking. 

“The first step is realizing the thinking is different, and then figuring out how you have complimentary skills,” said Dr. Grandin, using her own experiences on a food processing plant as an example, “You need to have these different kinds of minds to succeed in a large-scale operation.” 

Dr. Grandin is a world-renowned author, inventor, Doctor of Animal Science and expert of both animal behavior and autism. Diagnosed with autism herself, she is one of the first individuals to write of her personal experiences and is a leading advocate for autism rights and the neurodiversity movement. 

Dr. Temple Grandin’s books mentioned in this episode: Visual Thinking: The Hidden Gifts of People Who Think in Pictures, Patterns and Abstractions and The Outdoor Scientist: The Wonder of Observing the Natural World.

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When Patricia Resick, Ph.D., became involved with the first-ever crisis center for sexual assault victims in 1974, she found that the psychology field was severely lacking valid answers for how these women responded to the trauma they faced. After years of research and development towards a process that would help survivors of sexual abuse, survivors of domestic violence and veterans, she solidified a therapy that changed the course of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) treatment for good: cognitive processing therapy (CPT).

This episode of Menninger Clinic’s Mind Dive Podcast features Dr. Resick, accomplished psychologist, author and developer of CPT joining hosts Dr. Kerry Horrell  and Dr. Bob Boland for a conversation on how CPT became a first-line therapy for PTSD, the fundamentals of treatment, and how to approach it within comorbidities. 

Dr. Resick is a Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Duke University Medical Center and Adjunct Professor at Medical University of South Carolina. She is the co-author of newly published self-help book, “Getting Unstuck from PTSD: Using Cognitive Processing Therapy to Guide Your Recovery.” 

“The vast majority of people will recover from a trauma, but for some, something was interfering with their natural recovery,” said Dr. Resick. “They haven’t let themselves feel the feelings and think about the trauma differently and they feel they’re just running in a circle. CPT addresses the ‘getting stuck’ feeling.” 

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Listen to Episode 33: Winning the Mental Game, Sport Psychology with Dr. Mitchell Greene

Resources mentioned: 

CPTforPTSD.com 

Dr. Aaron T. Beck 

Cognitive behavioral treatment 

Laurie Anne Pearlman, PhD

“Cognitive-Behavioral Couple’s Treatment for posttraumatic stress disorder: initial findings” Candice M Monson, Paula P Schnurr, Susan P Stevens, Karen A Guthrie

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What happens in the mind of a talented athlete who suddenly cannot perform? Clinical and sports psychologist Mitchell Greene, PhD, works with a range of athletes from hopeful middle schoolers to Olympians on the concept of “mind chatter” and mental health struggles often experienced in sport culture. As explored in his new book, “Courage over Confidence: Managing Mind Chatter and Winning the Mental Game,” he treats younger and younger athletes feeling the pressure to excel at all costs.

On this episode of Mind Dive Podcast, dive into a conversation between hosts Dr. Kerry Horrell and Dr. Bob Boland with Dr. Greene on his work guiding athletes from all levels and backgrounds through coach-player relationships, nerves, loss of confidence and mental blocks. Dr. Greene owns Greenepsych Clinical & Sport Psychology in the Philadelphia suburbs and works primarily with athletes pursuing high performance goals and coaches looking to educate their student-athletes on mental health. 

“These concepts are not just for athletes. We all need a reminder sometimes that it’s courage over confidence,” said Dr. Greene. “Working through that chatter is about who we are, who we think we are and how we can manage the frustrations of life.” 

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Listen to Episode 32: Balancing Act, Understanding Clinician Burnout with Dr. Ashwini Nadkarni, Dr. Jhilam Biswas 

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This episode of Menninger Clinic’s Mind Dive Podcast explores burnout and emotional labor experienced by physicians and mental health professionals, particularly in women clinicians. Driven by their observations of burnout within their own psychiatry department at Harvard Medical School, Ashwini Nadkarni, MD, and Jhilam Biswas, MD, take a dive into their quest to understand the factors influencing women who are leaving the field or contemplating career changes. 

Join hosts Dr. Kerry Horrell and Dr. Bob Boland for this discussion of issues commonly faced by women physicians, such as an increased likelihood of depression due to the strain of balancing work and family life and the emotionally charged experience of discarding professional aspirations for conflicting needs. 

Dr. Biswas and Dr. Nadkarni are both instructors of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School Department of Psychiatry. Dr. Biswas serves as the Director of Psychiatry, Law and Society program at Brigham and Women’s Hospital and the Co-director of Harvard Mass General Brigham Forensic Psychiatry Fellowship. Dr. Nadkarni also serves as Assistant Medical Director of Brigham Psychiatric Specialties and Associate Vice Chair of Wellness in the Department of Psychiatry. 

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Listen to Episode 31: Neuropsychiatry, Connecting the Brain to Behavior with Dr. Julia Ridgeway-Diaz

Resources:

“Gender Disparity in Cognitive Load and Emotional Labor—Threats to Women Physician Burnout” 

“When Compromised Professional Fulfillment Compromises Professionalism” 

“Primary Care Physician Gender and Electronic Health Record Workload”

“Experiences of Work-Family Conflict and Mental Health Symptoms by Gender Among Physician Parents During the COVID-19 Pandemic” 

“’I Cry but No One Cares’: Physician Burnout & Depression Report 2023”

David Silbersweig, MD 

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Once a psychiatrist understands what is happening in their patient’s brain, who gives insight on why this is happening? Join this episode of The Menninger Clinic’s Mind Dive Podcast as hosts Dr. Bob Boland and Dr. Kerry Horrell explore the world of behavioral neurology with Dr. Julia Ridgeway-Diaz, psychiatrist, neurologist and neuropsychiatrist at Menninger. 

As they dive into the neuropsychiatrist’s role in physical and mental health, explore the important relationship between medical ailments and resulting behavioral changes. Also discussed is the importance of a neuropsychiatric perspective in complex cases, including a real-life example of treatment failure with antipsychotic medication in a comorbid patient experiencing obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) and schizophrenia. 

Julia Ridgeway-Diaz, MD, MS, is a staff psychiatrist in outpatient therapy at the Menninger Clinic. With special expertise in neurocognitive disorders, movement disorders, autism spectrum disorder, sleep disorders, epilepsy, multiple sclerosis and traumatic brain injury, she is also an assistant professor in the Menninger Department of Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences at Baylor College of Medicine. 

“I like getting to the bottom of why things are happening. In psychiatry, we do a really good job of describing what is happening, but we’re not always able to explain the neurologic processes that are causing what we’re seeing,” said Dr. Ridgeway-Diaz. “When what a clinician is seeing doesn’t make sense, that is where a neuropsychiatrist can make an impactful difference.” 

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Listen to Episode 30: The Troubled Teen Industry with Meg Appelgate, CEO of UnSilenced

Resources mentioned in this episode: 

Mind Dive Episode 25: Questions from the Mailbag | “self-diagnosis of mental health disorders” 

Menninger Pathfinder: Treatment for Young Adults 

Menninger 360 Program: A Person-Centered Approach 

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While child abuse in the home is well defined and often met with clear repercussions, are parents, clinicians and even government agencies missing red flags of institutional child abuse within the troubled teen industry? 

Dive into this episode of The Menninger Clinic’s Mind Dive Podcast as nonprofit leader Meg Appelgate shares her own teenage experiences with the dangerous shortcomings of the troubled teen industry as a behavioral health solution. Join Meg as she speaks with hosts Dr. Kerry Horrell and Dr. Bob Boland about her work with survivors of the industry and offers advice to clinicians, guardians and parents on how to avoid organizations that raise red flags and focus on a community-centered healing approach for teens.  

Meg Appelgate personally experienced over 3 years of abusive tactics in troubled teen facilities in Idaho and Montana after being abducted from her home at 15 years old. In adulthood, she studied psychology and has dedicated her life to serving nonprofits that benefit youth who have faced similar trauma.  

Meg currently serves as CEO of UnSilenced, a nonprofit organization aiming to stop child abuse in the industry and advocating to keep youth healthier and safer at home in their communities. 

“The research suggests that close familial ties in adolescents are extremely beneficial, so we’re really doing a disservice when we put them into these facilities,” said Meg. “Our first steps are to start in the communities—re-educating the decision makers, caregivers, parents, child-placing advocates on what the options are outside of an industry that can cause more harm to a child in distress.”  

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Listen to Episode 29: Writing the Book on Personality Disorders with Dr. John Oldham 

Resources mentioned in this episode: 

UnSilenced.org

Gochnauer Family Foundation 

Episode 23: Brainwashing & Master Persuasion with Dr. Joel Dimsdale 

Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) Quiz

Episode 5: Reducing Suicide Risk Through Wearable Technology with Dr. Michelle Patriquin

UnSilenced Survivor Empowerment Initiative 

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This episode of the Menninger Clinic’s Mind Dive podcast features the psychiatrist who wrote the book on personality and personality disorders. Dr. John Oldham is co-author of, “The New Personality Self-Portrait: Why You Think, Work, Love and Act the Way You Do,” the book is largely credited for spearheading the DSM-5 alternative model for personality disorders. 

Dive in with hosts Dr. Kerry Horrell and Dr. Bob Boland and explore the factors that make personality as unique as a fingerprint and learn if the alternative model of understanding personality will overtake the DSM-4 categorical model. Also, Dr. Oldham reacts to the individual NPSP25 test results of Dr. Boland and Dr. Horrell. 

John M. Oldham, M.D., M.S., currently serves as Distinguished Emeritus Professor in the Menninger Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Baylor College of Medicine. He previously served as senior vice president and chief of staff at the Menninger Clinic, president of the American Psychiatric Association (APA) and president of The American College of Psychiatrists. Dr. Oldham has also recently served as the APA’s co-chair of the Work Group on Personality and Personality Disorders for the most recent edition of the DSM-5.  

“I like to explain the personality through a blood pressure metaphor,” said Dr. Oldham. “In a dimensional sense, you have to have blood pressure or you’re not human or alive. You have to have a personality or you’re not human or alive. However, have too much or too little of a necessary thing, and you’re going to have a real problem.”  

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Listen to Episode 28: Making the Case for Psychotherapy with Dr. Jonathan Shedler

Resources mentioned in this episode: 

“Borderline Conditions and Pathological Narcissism” by Otto F. Kernberg

The five-factor model of personality 

“The New Personality Self-Portrait” by John M. Oldham, M.D., and Lois B. Morris

The New Personality Self-Portrait (npsp25.com)

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Hotly debated in mental health care, psychoanalytic therapy has been criticized for lacking evidence in comparison to other approaches. Now, many clinicians attest to the benefits of this evidence-based treatment and see great need in their patients for relationship-centered therapeutic approaches from their doctor and an emphasis on knowing oneself in order to heal. 

Dr. Jonathan Shedler, psychologist and author of, “The Efficacy of Psychodynamic Psychotherapy,” is staunchly advocating for clinicians to keep an open mind about what suits their patients best on this episode of Menninger Clinic’s Mind Dive podcast. This internationally acclaimed article is known for his work in establishing psychotherapy as an evidence-based treatment.  

Alongside hosts Dr. Kerry Horrell and Dr. Bob Boland, Dr. Shedler explores the dilemmas and nuances of psychotherapy throughout its history and how clinicians can use it to their benefit under a modern lens. 

Jonathan Shedler, PhD, is a consultant, master clinician, clinical professor of psychiatry at the University of California (UCSF) and faculty member at the San Francisco Center for Psychoanalysis. He also leads workshops for professional audiences, consults to U.S. and international government agencies and provides expert clinical consultation to mental health professionals worldwide. 

“I think it’s perfectly fine to say we don’t fully know our own hearts and minds. The things that we don’t know cause suffering and can cause symptoms and limitations. Because of this, there’s a tremendous value in coming to know ourselves more fully,” said Dr. Shedler. “That’s what can happen in the context of psychoanalytic therapy and what can allow our patients to ultimately feel more free and more whole.” 

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Listen to Episode 27: OCD, An Expert’s Insider Perspective with Dr. Elizabeth McIngvale

Resources mentioned in this episode: 

"The Efficacy of Psychodynamic Psychotherapy" by Dr. Jonathan Shedler 

Mind Dive Episode 6: Building Trust in Therapeutic Relationships with Dr. Jon Allen 

“That was then, this is now: An introduction to contemporary psychodynamic therapy” by Dr. Jonathan Shedler

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At 12 years old, Dr. Elizabeth McIngvale was diagnosed with obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD). By age 17, she found success in evidence-based treatment and became a national spokesperson for patients. Now, 20 years later, she treats OCD patients of her own, while still advocating to end stigma and misconceptions about OCD and perfectionism.  

Dive into this episode of The Menninger Clinic’s Mind Dive Podcast with hosts Dr. Kerry Horrell and Dr. Bob Boland for an expert’s insider journey of OCD. Also explored are the contrasts of OCD and obsessive compulsive personality disorder (OCPD) and how doctors can improve patient treatment by recognizing and acknowledging the differences.  

Elizabeth McIngvale, PhD, LCSW, is the director of McLean OCD Institute at Houston. She currently serves on the faculty at Harvard Medical School and has founded the Peace of Mind Foundation and OCDChallenge.com, both now within the International OCD Foundation. 

“My message to patients is that we are going to get them back to functioning, but we should really be fighting for freedom from their illness,” said Dr. McIngvale. “We are fighting to get them to a life where they can make decisions for themselves and live by their values, not their diagnosis.” 

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Listen to Episode 26: Bridging Faith & Mental Health Care with Dr. Marcy Verduin

Resources mentioned in this episode: 

Episode 21: OCD From the Front Lines with Dr. Wayne Goodman, Dr. Eric Storch 

Episode 14: The Measurement of Wisdom with Dr. Dilip Jeste 

Peace of Mind Foundation

McClean OCD Institute 

OCDchallenge.com 

International OCD Foundation 

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Overwhelmed with requests for mental health support during the COVID-19 pandemic, religious leaders faced a dilemma: How do we bridge the elusive gap between healing the mind with both science-based approaches and spiritual guidance? 

With the help of “insiders” like Dr. Marcy Verduin—both a person of faith and psychiatrist—many clinicians and religious leaders are on a productive path forward in resolving historic notions of mental health struggles as a shameful failure of faith. 

Dive into this episode of The Menninger Clinic’s Mind Dive Podcast with hosts Dr. Kerry Horrell and Dr. Bob Boland exploring Dr. Verduin’s transformative work. Since 2020, Dr. Verduin has dedicated ample time in the U.S. and abroad to teaching and exploring the idea of church communities, religious leaders and clinicians coming together for the overall improvement of religious patients’ mental health. 

Marcy Verduin, MD, is the Associate Dean for Students and Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Central Florida College of Medicine. She has been invited to speak nationally and internationally to help people of faith, and specifically Christian pastors, to better understand mental health and well-being.  

“The most important thing is to really ask the person in front of you about their beliefs,” said Dr. Verduin. “Even if you’re not an expert on their spirituality, you can still encourage them to pursue that part of it and help them see how it can fit into mental health overall.” 

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Listen to Episode 25: Questions from the Mailbag with Dr. Bob Boland, Dr. Kerry Horrell 

Resources mentioned in this episode: 

Mind Dive Episode 7: Religion & Spirituality in Therapeutic Approaches with Dr. Jim Lomax

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