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Nick talks with Prof. Gary Lewin (Max Delbrück Center, Berlin) about naked mole-rats, which in lab tests survived 18 minutes in pure nitrogen by shutting down brain activity, keeping the heart beating, and switching to fructose for fuel.
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• From Pain Research to Mole-Rats: The work began when the animals turned out not to feel the burn of capsaicin.
• Ecology & Eusociality: Colonies with a queen, one breeding male, workers, and soldiers, spread across semi-arid East Africa.
• Where the Low Oxygen Comes From: Piling into one sleeping chamber, rather than the burrow air itself.
• 18 Minutes in Pure Nitrogen: In lab tests they pass out, gasp about once a minute, and fully revive.
• Brain Off, Heart On: Brain activity drops to zero while the heart holds 50 beats per minute.
• Fructose as Backup Fuel: Fructose transporters in brain and heart let glycolysis keep running without oxygen.
• Queens, Odor & Longevity: One queen molecule (IPM) suppresses breeding; a queen can live 39 years.
• Pain, Acid & Navigation: Acid insensitivity, about 80% fewer pain receptors, and navigation by about 90 hairs.
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Nick talks with Prof. Lutz Schomburg about selenium biology in the endocrine system: selenoprotein P as the liver’s selenium transport protein and status biomarker, autoantibodies that can impair delivery despite normal blood selenium, thyroid autoimmunity (Hashimoto’s and Graves’), diabetes, aging, and what selenium supplementation trials show.
TOPICS DISCUSSED:
• Selenoprotein P: Liver-made transport protein that delivers selenium to tissues and serves as a status biomarker beyond total serum selenium.
• Autoantibodies & Delivery: Anti-SELENOP antibodies can impair selenium delivery even when blood selenium looks normal.
• Thyroid Autoimmunity: Links between selenium status and Hashimoto’s / Graves’ disease risk and course.
• Supplementation Trials: What controlled selenium trials do and do not show for thyroid and metabolic outcomes.
• Diabetes & Aging: How selenium biology intersects with diabetes risk and aging.
• Practical Context: Interpreting selenium blood tests and why a “normal” result can still miss tissue delivery problems.
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Controlled human feeding trials show added fructose raises liver fat, triglycerides, uric acid, and insulin resistance at real-world doses.
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How genomics is used to study what makes a human brain, and how genetically damaged neurons get removed.
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The biology of endogenous cannabinoids & history of cannabinoid-based therapeutics
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ABOUT THE GUEST: Nephi Stella, PhD is a professor at the University of Washington School of Medicine. He has studied endocannabinoid signaling for more than 25 years, focusing on therapeutic strategies that separate beneficial effects from side effects of cannabinoid-system modulation.
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Mitochondrial peptides act as stress signals that regulate metabolism, muscle mass, and neurodegeneration.
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ABOUT THE GUEST: Pinchas Cohen, MD is Dean of the USC Leonard Davis School of Gerontology and a leading researcher on mitochondrial peptides in aging, metabolism, and neurodegeneration.
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How the nervous and immune systems communicate, using peptides and other signals, to regulate pain, itch, and inflammation.
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ABOUT THE GUEST: Isaac Chiu, PhD is a professor in the Department of Immunology at Harvard Medical School. His lab studies nervous-immune system crosstalk in pain, itch, infection, and inflammatory disease.
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Mitochondrial peptide MOTS-c is a stress-induced signal that reprograms cell metabolism.
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ABOUT THE GUEST: Changhan David Lee, PhD is Associate Professor at the University of Southern California Leonard Davis School of Gerontology. His laboratory investigates mitochondrial communication and microproteins in the biology of aging.
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GHK-Copper and peptides in skin care, aging, and general health.
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ABOUT THE GUEST: Rahi Sarbaziha, MD is a physician in Beverly Hills, California whose practice focuses on regenerative aesthetics, hormone therapies, peptides, and interventions that support vitality, tissue repair, and overall wellness.
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Blood-brain barrier as a dynamic interface allowing selective passage of nutrients, peptides, and gut hormones.
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GUEST: William Banks, MD is a physician-scientist and leading researcher on the blood-brain barrier. He has focused on humoral brain-body communication, peptide transport, and the barrier’s role in health and disease.
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Whether food, drugs or ideas, what you consume influences who you become. Learn directly from the best scientists & thinkers alive today about how your mind-body reacts to what you feed…
The weekly M&M podcast features conversations with the most interesting scientists, thinkers, and technology entrepreneurs alive today.
Not medical advice.
At M&M, we are interested in trying to figure out how things work, not affirming our existing beliefs. We prefer consulting primary rather than secondary sources and independent rather than institutional voices. If we encounter uncomfortable truths or the evidence suggests unfashionable ideas may be valid, so be it.
As the host, my aim is to help you better understand how the body & mind work by curating & synthesizing information in a way that yields science-based insights that you can choose to use or disregard in your own life. Taking ownership of your health starts with taking ownership of your information diet.
I am motivated to connect the dots and distill general principles from what I learn, preferring to ask questions and play devil’s advocate to debating or incessantly pushing my own viewpoint.
My beliefs:
Sometimes modern discoveries teach us we must unlearn received wisdom. Other times, modern information overload & historical chauvinism cause us to forget ancient wisdom which stills applies. The framework for learning that I embody is inspired by three Ancient Greek maxims inscribed in the Temple of Apollo at Delphi:

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