The global market is going through a very challenging time right now, African Rainbow Minerals (ARM) executive chairperson Dr Patrice Motsepe noted on Friday, when the Johannesburg Stock Exchange-listed company reported a 43% fall in headline earnings to R5.1-billion in the 12 months to June 30.
"You'll see from our results that headline earnings, dividends and various other indicators - in line with mining companies all over the world - have come down," Motsepe outlined, ahead of highlighting the strong performance of Harmony Gold, of which ARM has been an integral part more than two decades.
"I'm very proud of how Harmony has grown," Motsepe enthused, noting that "they wanted to call it Harmony ARM Gold, and I said, no, just call it Harmony", to avoid shareholders queries around its great share price and incorporation advocacy.
But, he indicated, the future might be different: "I think in future there'll be a question mark," in the context of the importance of copper long-term, and both companies entering the copper space, Harmony in Australia and Papua New Guinea, and ARM in Canada.
During question time, he said of the Harmony opportunity: "We've been looking at this question for the last 15 years, with the simple objective of doing what's in the best interest of our shareholders.
"Do we sell it? Do we hold onto it? Our role in Harmony is significantly more than just a passive role, in the sense that Harmony was a merger between our company, ARM Gold, which laid the foundation of African Rainbow Minerals, and Harmony.
"We're a very long-term shareholder and I think there's also some issues about being an anchor shareholder, but we view Harmony in the same way as any other investment.
"We have to do what's in the best interest of our shareholders. If what's in the best interest of our shareholders is to sell Harmony, we'll do that.
"Some of our shareholders, earlier during the year, noted Harmony's high price, and the point raised is absolutely correct."
The far-reaching point was re-raised during question time by HSBC mining equity analyst Leroy Mnguni, who expressed understanding that the Harmony stake gives ARM future copper exposure and that Harmony has done very well for ARM, but posited that the benefit did not carry through to ARM's earnings or its free cash flow.
"Would it not be more beneficial for ARM to monetise the Harmony stake to invest in assets that ARM can control and can directly benefit from in terms of earnings and free cash flow?" Mnguni asked.
In response, Motsepe outlined ARM's active participation beyond Harmony's board meetings and in its executive committee, where it provides fundamental inputs on the gold company's operations and how they are running.
"So, the bottom line for us in Harmony is we're enormously excited about Harmony's. huge investments in copper, Harmony going into copper because of us," said Motsepe, who has been Harmony chairperson since the merger.
"We want to maximize the equity we have in Harmony. One of the things that the management was looking at, and good work has been done, is does part of the strategy in the short-term entail using some of the Harmony equity, which is very high right now, to enable us to get loans from the bank and use that, in essence, as security or to cash.
"We're looking at all of those options. The beauty is were not desperate. We've made mistakes at the past, where it was the right thing at the time to sell.
"I won't mention some of the assets that we sold, which we should never have sold, but at the time, it was absolutely the right thing to do without the benefit of hindsight.
"A few years down the line, my shareholders came and said, we put pressure on you at the time to sell, and indeed it was the right thing, but now, if we had held on, we would have made five, six, seven to ten times the amount that we received at the time of the sale.
"So, you don't fall in love with any asset. You fall in love with the profitability. You fall in love with ...