The in-state point person on Michigan's term limit constitutional amendment, Patrick Anderson of the Anderson Economic Group, said he's always been open to a debate on the appropriate length of legislative term limits after they've been in full effect for more than 10 years. He claims, however, that nobody has shown a willingness to talk with him on it. Anderson makes the case for the service limitations in this week's episode.

Also, listen to Sen. Pete Lucido stick his leg into the 2022 gubernatorial race with interview from Michigan's Big Show and The Morning Wake Up With Dave Akerly. Christmas trees, menorahs, Festivus poles and falling frozen turkeys are all this edition of the podcast.