Welcome to episode seven of Modern Money Doughnuts (MMD), hosted by Steven Hail and Gabrielle Bond. MMD is an international show about modern monetary theory and ecological economics.

(All episodes of Modern Money Donuts can be found on this page by Modern Money Labs.)

This week Gabie interviews Steven about his reasons for leaving an 'Ivy League' university and what he and Phil Lawn are planning to do to further MMT and ecological economics education at Torrens University.

This week we are one step closer to being able to offer postgraduate courses including Masters and PhD qualifications in MMT and ecological economics: the two essential elements needed to create a sustainable and prosperous future for people and the planet.

From Gabie: "If you're thinking about postgrad studies in #MMT or ecological economics or both, have a listen! We will be offering online courses via Torrens University from September this year fingers crossed."

Here's the video from which this audio comes from. (The audio is unedited.)

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