Some women want two under two so they can “get the baby phase over with” in one fell swoop. Other women intentionally space their children 3+ years apart for various reasons such as socioeconomic and health.

Whether you are currently considering conscious or unconscious conception, the choice of how far apart to space your babies can impact you in ways beyond what you may have imagined.

So, what is the best interpregnancy interval between children? Is there even such a thing? Is one length more optimal than another? There are both objective and subjective answers behind this enigma.

We polled our loyal followers in our Instagram stories back in November about what the “perfect” age gap is between children, and we share those results along with your reasoning.

We also share the risks, benefits, pros and cons of short and long interpregnancy intervals. Did any of these surprise you?

If you are curious on what the latest evidence says about optimal pregnancy spacing, we read excerpts from the “Pregnancy Spacing” chapter in Lily Nichols’ book “Real Food for Pregnancy.”

The bottom line is- like everything that has to do with motherhood choices- only YOU will know the best interpregnancy interval for your body and your family. There are several factors that need to be considered beyond your and your baby’s physical health and well being- all of which we unpack during this episode.

Resources Referenced: 

• Unapologetically Unmedicated: Episode 89
• PubMed article: Short Interpregnancy Articles in the United States
• Mayo Clinic article
• Perfect Supplements Replenish your nutrient stories between pregnancies with quality, grass-fed collagen, gelatin, and beef liver supplement (code: MOTR10 gets you 10% off)
• Pique

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We kick off season 2 of Moms Off The Record and sit down with our friend  and fellow radical mom, Lizzie Bolliger who you probably know as “Fierce Lizzie” to hear about her three births, what inspired her to leave her day job as a teacher and transition into a career as a doula on her terms.

We discuss the difference between “natural” and physiologic birth misnomers, whether any intervention is “natural,” circumventing hospital policies and rules, how we all really feel about the anatomy ultrasound, the truth about placenta previa diagnosis, and the difference between feeling empowered and being empowered.

Lizzie also shares a typical day in her life starting from the crack of dawn when she wakes up until 9pm when she calls it a night. As a business owner, doula, and podcaster who also homeschools her three children; how does she manage to juggle it all? She shares her mom and business woman hacks.

Resources: 

• Unapologetically Unmedicated podcast
• Follow @FierceLizzie on Instagram

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As we approach 2024 and our almost one year anniversary of co-hosting Moms Off The Record podcast, we humbly and candidly reflect on all the things we either changed our minds about or would do differently with baby #2.

We talk about what it means to be “above the line” vs. “below the line” as per “The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership”

We each share topics about which we’re okay with being self-righteous versus ones where we’re open-minded and curious.

Find out where we changed our minds and why we would take a different approach with:

• Exercising during pregnancy and postpartum
• The pushing phase during birth
• Daycare
• Showing our children publicly online
• Bottles
• Sleep
• Snacks
• Elimination Communication
• Oral ties assessments

Resources:

• On Track Baby (NOEL Method)
• The Spillover Podcast episode on Daycare
• “Become the Resolution” Community/Ongoing Group Coaching led by “Whose Body Is It” founder, Isabella Malbin 
• Anisa Woodall's Resilient Motherhood Masterclass (code: MOTR gets you $100 off)
• Go Diaper Free (code: MOTR saves you some $) & the GDF Podcast
• https://www.bark.us/ & https://www.instagram.com/titaniajordan/ 
• Find a “Breathe Institute” trained provider near you if you have concerns with blocked airways and oral ties
• Watch “The Sound of Freedom”

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We sit down with Dr. Paul Thomas (yes, that one!) of The Vaccine-Friendly Plan for an uncensored discussion on vaccines in childhood and pregnancy.  Dr. Paul divulges answers to all the vaccine questions you wish you could ask your captured OBGYN, pediatrician, and/or MEDwife.

WATCH the video interview here.

• Dr. Paul breaks down the axiom “safe and effective.”
• What is safe yet not effective? What is effective yet not safe?
• What about all those vaccines your OB or MEDwife is recommending you receive during pregnancy? How safe are they?
• Is vaccine “shedding” a thing, and should we be concerned? How does shedding work?
• Why Dr. Paul can no longer in good faith recommend his delayed vaccine plan and what changed.
• Dr. Paul explains the conclusions discovered from his famous meta analysis.
• He demystifies the financial corruption behind the Pediatrics profession. 

Dr. Paul also shares his story and why he was pressured into forfeiting his medical license despite doing no harm. He imparts sage advice for anyone desiring to become a pediatrician today.

Links & Resources:

• The meta-analysis of vaxxed vs. unvaxxed
• Listen to our episode on “With The Wind” from this summer 
• KidsFirst4ever.com & Doctorsandscience.com
• Vax-Unvax: Let the Science Speak by Brian Hooker, PhD  
• Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines and the Forgotten History 
• Vaxxed Documentary
• Turtles All The Way Down: Vaccine Science and Myth
• To My Grandchildren for my Great Grandchildren

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Teva Johnstone of the @RebelParents Instagram account (currently on a social media detox but still very active in real life and via her courses on her website) is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, Psychotherapist, and Clinical Supervisor in the state of California.

We explore topics with Teva like:

• Why homeschool at all? Aren’t there good private and Montessori schools?
• What are the problems with the public school system today? 
• Which widely-taught ideologies are harmful for children?
• Which attributes make a family a good candidate for homeschool?
• Who is homeschool not appropriate for?
• Can kids actually go to college if they’re homeschooled?
• What if parents work a full-time 9-5 or are single/co-parenting; how can they make homeschooling work?
• How can parents continue to homeschool once the academic subject matter becomes too challenging beyond their scope of comprehension?

Find Teva here to purchase her courses or book a consult: https://www.tevajohnstone.com

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We are honored and humbled to interview none other than Just the Inserts who up until just a few weeks ago has been fully anonymous since the inception of her Instagram account 3 years ago. Now, she is allowing the public to hear her voice, and although we had the pleasure of seeing her face on camera for this very special recording, we are respectfully shielding her face from our social media for her and her family’s safety at this time.

We learn from Just The Inserts:

• What her personal “why” is and what inspired her to start her account
• Why Instagram initially took down her account despite how she only shared what the package inserts say verbatim from the FDA
• Her daughter’s vitamin K shot adverse reaction plus Katherine’s vitamin K shot anecdote with her midwives
• Why America’s medical system is actually socialized rather than capitalized like most are led to believe
• Why sharing objective truths such as the literal package inserts for pharmaceuticals is “controversial” even if all personal biases are omitted
• What’s in store for the future of Just The Inserts?

Please give Just The Inserts and Just The Alternatives a follow!

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We learn from Anisa Woodall, MS CN:

• Why vegan and vegetarian diets (particularly non ovo-lacto) are not only unethical during preconception and pregnancy but also dangerous to mom and baby.
• What prompted Anisa to transition from plant-based to animal based once she entered nutrition school.
• Why certain “health foods” like açaí aren’t actually as nutrient dense as we believe and which nutrients we need to prioritize for optimal fertility instead.
• How much epigenetic impact both parents  have on their future baby during the preconception period through their diet, lifestyle and environment verses what their genetics will dictate.
• Which specific lifestyle changes women actually need to optimize to increase their odds of having a healthy pregnancy on their desired timeline.
  
  

Be sure to check out Anisa’s preconception checklist to discover what you should do in the 3-6 months preconception period to optimize fertility and pregnancy outcomes!

Also, check out Anisa's FREE fertility masterclass.

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Be sure to use code MOTR for her Resilient Motherhood Course within 7 days of registering for her free masterclass , and you’ll receive an additional $100 off coupled with her $200 discount for a total of $300 off!

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Isabella Malbin, the host of the “Whose Body Is It” podcast, is also a life-coach, hypnotist and former "liberal" feminist turned radical truth teller.

Isabella shares what initially peaked her years ago; euphemistic, sanitized terms like “belly birth” in lieu of cesarean section is just one example.

We hear why she was kicked out of her Fertility Awareness Training program and why her Doula training program found her vernacular rooted in truth and refusal to erase “women” and “mother” from her vocabulary to be a threat.

Why none of us on this recording use pronouns.

Isabella theorizes on the root cause of the uprising of female erasure in language amongst most birth workers. Why is “inclusive language” actually more harmful than innocuous? Isn’t there a seat for everyone at the table?

We debate the question “just because you can do something, does it mean you should?” when it comes to ART (assisted reproductive technology).

Why do some cultures justify surrogacy whereas others accept pregnancy may not be in the cards?

Are guilt and shame actually healthy reactions to our choices instead of emotions we should aim to avoid?

Donate to Isabella’s friend Marva Zohar’s nonprofit, Land Where Women Heal, so Israeli survivors of the Hamas attacks can receive life-saving services.

Donate to Isabella's personal campaign for immediate therapeutic help for Israeli survivors of the Oct 7th attack created in memory of her late father.

Links to Isabella’s masterclasses and private group coaching community:

• The Medical & Legal Ethics of IVF & Surrogacy
• Unpacking Common Myths & Misconceptions About Indigenous Two-Spirit & Third Genders Master Class
• Inoculating Our Children Against Transgender Ideology Master Class
• Getting Real About Porn: Examining the Industry of Anti-Woman Propaganda
• The Great Reset of Motherhood: Gender Identity, Transhumanist Tech & the Theft of Birth

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Per your request, we recorded this raw, introspective, humble and at times humorous look into how some of our closest friendships shifted- for better or worse- once we became moms.

We share the awkward, odd, and redemptive friendship renaissances and demises. Friendships aside, we analyze how the relationships with our husbands changed since becoming parents. Do we believe our children “come first” or we as a couple “come first?”

You’ll have to tune in to find out. Lastly, we reflect on how we see our moms differently since becoming moms ourselves.

Leverage On Track Baby’s NOEL method course to get to know your newborn earlier!

Until next time...  

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Since we’re not fans of the term “stay-at-home mom” because of its implications that the mom doesn’t really “work” but rather just chills out at home, we’re comparing our lives as a full-time mom at home vs. a full-time working (in the traditional corporate sense) from home mom. That was a mouthful!

Context: Kat resigned from her high-pressure, corporate career two months prior to her son’s birth and never returned to work- by choice- and he is now 14 months old (at the time this episode aired). April returned to her full-time corporate career in a work-from-home arrangement when her daughter was 4 months old. April’s daughter is weeks away from her first birthday (also at the time of this episode airing).

We discuss the highs and lows, pros and cons, what we are looking forward to the most, and what we are grateful for with our respective situations. We also share our tips for moms on how to vet high quality and trustworthy childcare at the end of this episode.

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