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The Sallie House, located in Atchison, Kansas, is widely regarded as one of the most haunted locations in the United States. Its notoriety stems primarily from the 1990s, when Tony and Debra Pickman moved into the home and experienced a series of increasingly violent paranormal events. While the house has a long history, the legend centers on “Sallie,” a young girl who allegedly died in the house during a botched, unanesthetized appendectomy performed by a doctor who lived there in the early 20th century. Although historical records of this specific death are debated, the activity reported within the walls is chillingly consistent.

1000 Crazy Questions

I see you have a lot of lights there in your space. Do they ever float around the room? Yeah, but only when you’re not looking. You turn around, you look, and then they stop. It’s kind of like the boo thing from Mario. Yes and no. Yes and no. Well, that’s good. I’m glad it’s not too terrible for you. welcome to mondo frico i’ve got used to peers from 1000 crazy questions Podcast. We’re going to talk about some weird stuff tonight. But not a thousand things. Only one. I’ll let him do the thousand part. How’s it going tonight? It’s going good. It’s going cool. It’s a nice, warm winter day. uh over where i am uh i go by Houston, but i’m currently living in Colorado, so it’s it’s really weird. It’s really weird that i got you want to be dead with Pierce? It doesn’t have the same ring to it no it doesn’t uh but yeah no it’s it’s going cool it’s i mean it’s going warm. Yeah. You could be uh coors pierce that would be good.
Coors? Oh, like Coors, Denver? Yeah. I found out that was actually a spot in Denver a week ago. Oh, really? Yeah, I didn’t know that. Coors is actually a city called Coors? Yeah, that’s the thing. Coors is a place. I just love the beer. That’s all I thought. Is it in Denver? I know there’s a place called Coors. I mean, somewhere in there in Colorado, but yeah. Yeah. That’s interesting. Well, we aren’t going to talk about Colorado this week. We’re going to, well, actually, I shouldn’t. Do you want to take the quiz first? You want me to tell you what we’re going to talk about? Let’s quiz. I’ll do this. Oh, he’s going to go right into it. Yeah. Confident in myself. Let’s go. Quiz. Quiz. Quiz. I can’t believe he opted for the quiz right out of the gate. So this is going to be really interesting because he doesn’t, Houston doesn’t know anything about the topic tonight. I picked the topic.
And so he’s going to try his luck at the quiz. Let me see if I can get this to work here, Houston. I’ve got some new stuff going on here. If I can find it, there it is. Oh, that’s the wrong one. Hold on a second. That’s not what we wanted. I was like, that’s easy. Yeah, that was easy. That’s a one question quiz. One question. I think it looks like a website. What is a website, Bob? Here we go. All right, there we are. Can you see that at all? Maybe not too big. Okay, I can see now. It’s coming into focus. Okay, good. So this is the quiz for tonight’s topic, which is the Sally House. The Sally House is in Kansas, and it is one of the most haunted houses in America. Ready? Ready?
Are you ready for this quiz? In which Kansas town is the Sally House located? You got Wichita, Atchison, a very spooky Walmart parking lot, or Topeka? I’ll actually give you a hint if you want it. I’ll save my hint for later, Bob. I want to use up my lifelines all at once. I have a strong feeling It’s B, just because it sounds like a place that this would be. Atchison sounds creepy, decrepit, and spooky. Wichita, like witch, is a little too on the nose. All Walmart parking lots are haunted. They’re not special. So it’s not the most haunted. I know it’s not there. Topeka, maybe, but I’m just going to say B off of gut instinct of how that sounds very witch, I mean haunted-like. It sounds very haunted. B for Atchison. Atchison.
Okay. Let’s see what happens. Oh, there we go. Sorry. I hit the wrong button again. That’s right. It is Atchison, Kansas. And the funny thing is I have actually been to Atchison and I’ve actually stood in front of the Sally house. Oh, whoa. Yeah. We’ll talk more about that later, but, uh, Move on to question number two. So you’re one up. I don’t know if you can see that little green thing there, but you’re one up. So there you go. Keep track for us here. According to the legend, what surgery was being performed on Sally when she allegedly died from the Sally house? A, a wisdom tooth extraction. B, a tonsillectomy. C, appendicitis. Oh, my. I thought I was doing so good. Appendectomy or D, a tragic accident involving a runaway unicycle. Oh, no. I have a hint if you want it. You can take a hint. Okay, I’ll take a hint on this one. I was feeling, but I’ll take a hint. It involves the removal of a small finger-shaped pouch in the abdomen.
Oh, okay. I wish I had gone with my gut because this confirms my gut feeling. I think it’s the appendectomy. The C, the C one. That’s right. That’s right. The story says she died during an emergency appendectomy. Wow. Well, you’re doing great. You got two for two. Didn’t even know the topic. Yeah, I should have not taken the hint. I wanted to keep the streak of just hitting them without hints, but it’s too late. It’s too late. Too late. Yeah, well, I think I threw you there because I couldn’t pronounce everything. But here we go. This looks like I can get here. Which family lived in the house during the 1990s and brought the case to national attention? The Ghostbusters, the Winchesters, the Pickmans, or the Addams Family? I got a hint still.
Oh, we have a hint for each one in case you need it. Oh, okay. Okay. So no hit this time, just cause I want it. I want to redeem myself. Uh, the ghostbusters are a team of four. I don’t know if they, they, they have a, Oh, you know what? I know. So I noticed the ghostbusters cause they have a firehouse. I know not to pick that one. In New York, not in Kansas. Exactly. You almost tricked me. The Evans family, no. I think this is the Winchesters. I’m saying that off of background knowledge from some paranormal show I saw one time. It’s a very out there name. Pickman’s is very normal. It’s either B or C, but I’m going to go with B.
Want to go with B? Yep. Oh. Pickman. Pickman. No, it was the Pickmans. Tony and Deborah Pickman documented their terrifying experiences in the Sally house. Sorry. Dang. I should have taken that. Only one wrong but two right. So you’re still doing good. You’re doing great. Let’s move on to the next one here. Number four, what physical evidence frequently appeared on Tony Pickman’s body? A, passive-aggressive sticky notes. B, glowing green handprints. C, temporary tattoos of butterflies. Or D, scratches and welts. Oh, wow. This is interesting. I don’t know what to do here. I’ll take the hint this time. You going to take the hint this time? With no shame. This is tough. Think of the marks left by fingernails or claws. Okay. Oh, well, passive-aggressive sticky notes, of course. Are you really going to go with that one? No, I’ll go with D. I’ll go with D. D, scratches and welts. Scratches and welts. That’s right.
i want to say the notes, that were funny. They found passive aggressive digging yeah tony was famously the target of aggressive physical attacks by an entity in the sally house. entity some sort of Classic haunting signs. Exactly. So we’re on number five of seven. You’ve got three. You get one more. Essentially, you’re gonna be a winner. So we’ve got two more tries here, or three more tries to get it, but you’ll be fine. We’ll see. Which 1990s paranormal show first featured the house in its investigations? The Great British Bake Off Haunted Edition, Ghost Adventures, X-Files, or Sightings? Ooh. Okay. No hint this time. I’m going to win this game, honest. And the Great British Bake Off… That’s a good one. Ghost of Interest, I think, came out in the early 2000s. X-Files, I know. Sightings, I don’t know. But I know it’s either C or D for this one. I’m going to say, oh, man, Sightings, actually, because X-Files is more about fictional supernatural things, I think, or stories more so. Yeah, I’m going to say Sightings.
Sightings. Wow, I love the way you work your way through these things. That’s right. Sightings is it. Okay. Sightings ran multiple segments on the Sally House. So there you go. All right. You’re already winning, but we have a couple more questions if you want to just work through them. Oh, yeah. Let’s go. Who was the doctor that actually owned and lived in the house during the early 1900s? Was it Dr. Phil? No. Dr. Seuss, Dr. Frankenstein, or Dr. Charles Finney? I am going to say Dr. Phil. No joke. Because Phil is actually a common name. There’s not one of the odds it’s actually the Dr. Phil. I’m saying it’s Dr. Phil. I’m so serious. You want to say Dr. Phil? I’m saying Phil. It could be Dr. Phil. Okay.
Oh, no. Dr. Charles Finney. Not every Phil is the Dr. Phil, you know? Dr. Phil Houston, you got a problem. Number seven, last one. You’re still a winner here. What is a common theory among modern paranormal investigators about the entity Sally? A, the ghost is just a very confused squirrel. B, is it a demon mimicking a child? C, it’s actually the ghost of a grumpy landlord. Or D, it’s a residual recording with no intelligence. Residual recording with no intelligence. Intelligents, yes. I’m going to say B, demon mimicking a child. The demon mimicking a child. And that’s right. There you go. Maybe believe the violent nature of the house suggests a darker entity. Wow. Great job. All right. Great job. You got five out of seven. And you won the night here with the Sally House. I’ll take it. Can you believe it? Yeah. No prep. Only two hints or three hints.
there you go. Or four hints. But yeah, I don’t know. We’ll be right back with what about, we’ll talk more about the sally house just a second mondo frico this is jonathan and this is heaven from the opa ghost podcast and you’re listening to mondo frico Toodles. Toodles. Toodles. Toodles. All right, so let’s hear a little bit more detail about Sally House. You chose to do the quiz first, and so now we’re going to get some content. So the Sally House was located in Atchison, Kansas, which we talked about. It’s widely regarded as one of the most haunted locations in the United States. Its notoriety stems primarily from the 1990s when Tony and Deborah Pickman moved into the home and experienced a series of increasingly violent paranormal events.
While the house has a long history, the legend centers on Sally, a young girl who allegedly died in the house during a botched, unanesthetized appendectomy performed by a doctor who lived there in the early 20th century. Although historical records of the specific death are debated, the activity reported within the walls is chillingly consistent. The phenomena at the Sally house are distinct for their physical and malevolent nature and Unlike many hauntings that consist of residual footsteps or distant voices, the activity here often targeted toward Tony Pickman directly. He reported sustaining unexplained scratches, welds, and even burns on his back and chest during his residency. Beyond physical attacks, the family witnessed objects flying across the room, small fires breaking out spontaneously, and the sounds of a child’s voice. These events were extensively documented by paranormal researchers and
and featured on the television show Sightings, which catapulted the house to national infamy. Today, the Sally House remains a holy grail for paranormal investigators, though it is often described as having a dual personality. While some visitors believe they are interacting with an innocent, playful spirit of a young girl, many others, including seasoned demonologists, warn that a much more sinister entity may be mimicking a child to lure people in. The home is currently open for overnight stays and tours. allowing the brave to test the legend for themselves in a space that many believe still harbors a deep-seated resentment toward living. What do you think about that, Houston? My initial thoughts are, how much do they charge to rebuild this place? I don’t know. That’s a good question. I’ll look that up while we’re talking. Because that’s…
I don’t get the people. If anyone’s watching this and they are one of those people who go to haunted places and actually, not even haunted places, but pay money to go to haunted places to stay the night, I don’t understand you. $250 a night. $250? Yes, $250. Oh, my God. Now, the interesting thing is, let’s see if I can… successfully share my screen again. But the interesting thing is it’s not much of a house. Yeah. There you go. You can see the picture there i think uh houston see this this is the house. You see it yeah yeah and so uh my son and i walked all the way up to the house right there yeah uh onto the onto the front porch to take a look. Here’s some pictures inside the house, right? And of course, they got
creepy dolls everywhere. You got to have them. Yeah. So the kitchen needs to be updated, I think. And then, of course, a child’s room to make it even more freaky. Yeah. So, yeah. So what’s your… There you go. There’s Sally House in winter. Yeah. It looks nicer. What do you think about that as far as… Do you believe the story, first of all? Uh… Okay, so background on me. I do believe in the supernatural stuff of everything because of my faith. So it all checks clear for me, truthfully. I don’t really mess with the stuff. I am not enamored with it. I am mildly fascinated. However, yeah, so it’s kind of an easy sell for me. The funny thing is, though, to me, it’s…
If you if you know other people of other religions and beliefs or just don’t believe if you don’t believe in these things, why are you spending money to like, why are you paying so much money to spend your night in a drafty house like a rat? I mean, there’s two options when you spend money to go here either. Nothing happens, and everyone’s kind of crazy, and you just spend the night at a really crappy house, and you wasted $250. Or it’s real. You find out the supernatural is real, and you get scratched. The two outcomes are really bad. Either you’ve wasted money, or you get what you get. So that’s where I stand. I think I’ve offended some people. I’m sorry. No, no, I don’t think so. What?
You’re right, it is a crappy house. Look at it. There’s a picture right there. It’s a lose-lose. I’m saying going up to see it is one thing. Or going in for free is cool. Okay, but to pay? Yeah, I understand that. But to be like, here’s, and not just paying like $5, but $250 for that. Yeah. Here’s my Airbnb, and they listed this photo. Well, it looks nice and creepy, though, doesn’t it? Yeah. Yeah, I guess, you know, if you want, I think you’re only making your money’s worth if you believe in the supernatural and you want to get scratched and you want to get tortured or or hear some type of little girl voice or whatever. If you like getting scared. Like to this degree, that this is like a haunted house on steroids, kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah.
Yeah, so the story is… These people spent the night, I think. Maybe a ghost hunting crew. It’s all fascinating. I don’t think I’d have the guts, honestly, to even do it. Oh, no, I would definitely not do it. There’s nothing worse to me than getting scratched by someone I don’t know. Yeah. Oh, I actually already know that fact because on my show, we brought that up. Yeah. I remember, but it wasn’t being scratched. It was about being touched in general, but I remember… Being touched in general, yes. I don’t want to have all that happen, yeah. Scratch is worse. Yeah, scratch is, yeah. So I totally agree. So the reason I actually went there is my son and I went there. We were staying. We were in Kansas City for some other stuff. And we had some time one afternoon. And I’m like, well, he’s like, we want to run up there. I said, sure, let’s go up there.
And so it’s not that close, but, I mean, you know, it was within, I think, an hour and a half or something. So we ran up there and, like, had lunch and then went to the Sally House and wandered around and got pictures and everything outside of it. We did not pay the $250. But, no, I think it’s totally possible. I mean, it is a creepy – I mean, they’ve certainly let it look creepy by all the paint flaking off. I think that helps themselves. the tickets honestly, I think, but yeah. It’s not in a bad neighborhood or anything. It’s actually, um, uh, on the bluff, uh, of the, of the river there. And so it’s, you can’t see the river from there, but if you walk like a half a block or a block or something, then you’re, uh, right there on the bluff. And the other thing is, the crazy thing is it’s right around the corner from Amelia. I think it’s Amelia Earhart’s childhood home.
Really? So we went to that as well. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I want to go down the street and check Amelia Earhart’s childhood home in one of the most haunted places in America. Yeah. Yeah. Here it’s in, it’s in Atchison here. I’m going to get a picture. The funny thing is it doesn’t look that much different than the Sally house here when I show it to you. So yeah, Amelia Earhart’s childhood home is right there. And it looks nicer, right? Yeah. And so then you can go and you can see some of her effects because she passed away quite a while ago now. But yeah, that’s where she grew up. And then not too far across the street kind of a ways is on a bluff in the river. But yeah, literally, it’s not even a block away from the Sally house, which to me is just
which nobody mentions. I’m like, can you believe it? This is like Amelia Earhart’s home is right there as well. How much did they pay for you to go in the Amelia Earhart house? I think it was free to be honest with you. Oh my gosh. It was just like a little, I just took a donation. I don’t know, but I don’t remember like paying any, you know, any amount of money. Yeah. I think it was donation based. So. I mean, that’s actually, that’s pretty nice. I guess if Amelia Earhart herself were in there haunting people, you can then charge. Yeah. Maybe you’d change the marketing a little bit. If it’s just museum-like, then it’s whatever. But what are your thoughts, though, on the whole demon story for the Sally House, though? Oh, I think it can be entirely possible. I think, you know, these kind of, I don’t know that it’s a demon, because I have a slightly different take on
a lot of this stuff in the sense that, you know, people love to attribute, you know, if you get hurt or something that it’s evil when it could just be misunderstood, I suppose, you know, maybe it, it doesn’t, you know, like when kids are little, they, they, when you’re, when you have little kids, they hurt their parents constantly, accidentally. I always joked whenever my, kids were little. I said, I’m glad I wore glasses because if I didn’t, I would have lost an eye because they’re constantly like flinging things or flailing around. And so you you you get inadvertently hurt whenever they’re, you know, throwing a fit or whatever. Actually, one time this actually happened. My daughter was not even, I don’t even think she was two years old yet, or maybe just barely, you know, barely getting around, walking around and everything and
and I was putting together a swing set for her and she got a hold of the, the chain, um, for the swing. And it was all covered in plastic except for the end. And somehow she swung it and, and scratched the cornea of my wife’s eye. Oh, yeah. Hit her right in the eye, but not hard. Like not like hit her in the face with a chain. She, she barely grazed it and it, she, She scratched the car and had to go to the emergency room. Oh, that’s terrible. And so, yeah, that’s why I’m always like, I’m glad I’m wearing glasses because then I won’t get my cornea scratched. It was really horrible for my wife, obviously. And my daughter had no idea that she did anything. But anyway, so, I mean, these entities or whatever they are, to get back to the story, could just be trying to get your attention and in doing so inadvertently harm people. Now,
They do, I think, in this case, have, you know, things that seem somewhat malicious, right, as far as taunting and things like that that have happened there. But then again, you know, Demons is a little bit more, I think, too specific at this point because we don’t really know what it is, right? So I always say that I think ghosts and aliens and all that kind of stuff could all be one in the same because they’re just something that we don’t know what it is. And so a ghost could be an alien that they just appear, you know, kind of half invisible, you know what I mean? So they’re translucent, uh, and an alien could be just like a ghost, but it’s just in a more solid form. And so until we know a little bit more, I don’t think that we can, uh,
you know, categorize them. So, um, until we get a little bit more information, I think we can’t tell it so that, so that, you know, everybody, all humans want to categorize things, right? That’s one of our biggest problems to be honest with you is the fact that we constantly, we all constantly want to categorize everything, you know, you’re this and you’re this and you’re a Broncos fan and you’re a, you know, whatever. And so we constantly want to put everybody in these little, uh, pockets and it causes problems. And I think we shouldn’t do that to ghosts either or aliens or anything. I’m only using the words because we don’t know what they are and that’s what everybody refers to them as. But for all we know, they could all just be different species of something else. Yeah. I mean, I hear you. We don’t know. We don’t know. We don’t know. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And I don’t see… I…
Yeah, I mean, I hear what you’re saying. I think I, I have a different viewpoint, but it’s funny how we were trying to kind of like figure out if the whole, you know, like, you know, ghost hunters, for example, they’ll go in and like, we’re taking our best, I don’t know if it’s our best, but our quote-unquote best tools to find ghosts. And you’re using material objects to find something on a different you know, spiritual plane or energy plane or whatever else, you know, dimension, you don’t know. And you’re taking things that we do know to find things you don’t know. And, you know, in some cases, you know, it kind of makes some sense of, you know, an EMP, like it goes, must mess with electric magnetic field. That’s such a, what a, that’s a theory of a theory. I don’t know, but yeah.
In some case, it kind of makes sense. But in another case, it’s kind of funny to me. Something’s kind of… I don’t want to say it’s unknowable because I think given enough time, everything maybe could become… I won’t say everything. Most things could become knowable given enough time, I believe. However, I think that is going to take millions of years. Thousands? Thousands to not millions of years. I mean, we didn’t… Because I think it’s we just we simply don’t know. We don’t know. And I think the supernatural is something that we’re going to be digging for the rest of, you know, human existence. I mean, outside of faith, there’s nothing you can really do to prove, I think, to the land of the living. So I don’t know. So I respect the opinion of it can all be just one thing or another. Aliens are a true question mark for me. I have I have I think it’d be cool if they existed. I don’t know.
I truly just leave that a question mark. The spiritual demons, stuff like that, I happen to believe because of, like I said, my faith, and I’ve had some experiences here and there. But in general, if you ask me to prove it, I can’t prove it. Yeah. Right. Now, do you want to talk anything about your experience? Tell us about an experience or no? It’s okay if you do. I don’t want to force you into it, so don’t. No, it’s fine. I have one kind of funny one I guess I could share in the chamber. Of course, you have to be young when you do these stories because no one is ever an adult. It’s always when I was a kid, so I’m sorry to be generic, but when I was a kid, I think I was making too much noise in my room or something like that, and I was being too loud. My lights were on, and my dad came into the room. He’s like, hey, it’s too late.
go to the stairs and put me on some type of weird timeout, which he doesn’t really do, but he did. And so it’s late at night and I couldn’t question him. I decided to sit at the top of the stairs for an undiscriminated amount of time. He went back to his room, which was to like the right of the stairs. And I’m on the second floor, the stairs looking down. My parents’ room went to the right. He went in there. I can hear the TV on. He’s laying on the bed watching TV. My siblings are asleep. They’re in the other, the other hall to the right, to the left, which leads to my bedroom, my sister’s bedroom, whatever else. So, um, it’s, it’s, I don’t know what time of night it is. It’s late. Um, and I’m on this weird timeout and I’m like, do I go downstairs? And I, I kind of crawled downstairs a little bit just because, just because, and I can, I can see, I, yeah. And I can see the oven light, you know, the little microwave light, you know, it’s, it’s on. And I, I look down and I can see in a picture of,
the room, the kitchen’s behind the stairs back in the, there’s a main living room and there’s a picture that it’s reflecting the light from the kitchen on the, on the paint, on the picture. And I look at the picture and it looks like there is a woman standing in the kitchen with blonde hair and she’s like making something at the oven. And I freaked out, you know, but I, I was, I stayed quiet. I go back up the stairs. Like, I didn’t, did I see that? I, I, I do that. I rub my eyes. I’m like, okay, I’m awake. Right. I go back down. I look at the picture again across the way. And sure enough, there’s a woman still standing there back turned to me and she’s doing like, and she’s doing this, like she’s making like her, her shoulders are moving as if she’s doing something like she’s doing something. I keep looking and I’m like this, what? You know, I keep looking. I know I am seeing this in real time, like with time passing. And I’m like, I think I must’ve been, I don’t know, 13 or something like that.
They’re 12 or 11. I don’t know. I tried to muster up the courage to look through the stairs to actually see into the kitchen with my own eyes because I know it could be a trick off the light of the picture. I got close, and then I made a sound on the stairs and I freaked out right upstairs. I couldn’t do it. I opened up the room to my parents’ room and he was like, Dad, Dad, and he’s asleep. And he fell asleep and left you on the stairs. He just left me there. I’m like, Oh my God. Well, at least you were inside. Yeah. And I go back to my room and I tell him, he didn’t make you go on the front porch and then leave you out there. Stay in here and just close the door. Stay here. He does. I don’t even know what that time I think was about. I’ve usually, I don’t even get those weird timeout things, but anyway, so that’s my story. That’s a brief. I have other family members with more in depth stories and weirder ones and whatever else I’ve,
Some other little ones. But that’s what I think. That’s like the first one that I could think of to me that I saw. Did you ever see it again? Did you ever see it again? That specific blonde ghost in my house? No, but then again, I wasn’t up late at night looking down the stairs with the thing again. But yeah. Well, that’s interesting, though. She was benevolent. If she was a ghost, she was benevolent. I’ll say that much. But yeah. Right. She was making breakfast or something. Yeah. Or whatever. That’s wild because… So now, would there normally be any blonde women in your house at that point? No. Not really. Okay. You didn’t go, Dad, your girlfriend’s downstairs making breakfast. No. Not really. There weren’t too many blonde women coming in and out the house, truthfully. Yeah. It was certainly…
It was certainly, there was also, I forgot this detail. There was like smoke or whatever, or like a steam rising from the front of her. So it looked like she was really making something on the oven. I couldn’t smell anything, but it was real. And the fact that I kept looking at the photo, like, you know, or that photo, the painting or whatever. And like, and she was consistently in my, that I was like, and I knew I was awake. That was the, freakiest thing, but yeah. You said you had siblings, so did any of them ever see somebody like that? No, I don’t know. I don’t think they did. You should ask them. They never know. They might have and just haven’t talked about it. I told them about it, and my sister, did my sister believe me? I don’t know if she did. She’s my older sister. She didn’t believe you. Yeah, I don’t think she believed me.
Or maybe she didn’t. I don’t know. Maybe she did. I must have freaked out my little brother. I know that. If I told him, he probably forgot. You’re telling me, I’m trying to think of a famous blonde person from when you were little. I can’t think of one. Will and Grace was in there. That’s too early, right? That’s 90s. That’s too early. This is like around 2007. 2007? six, maybe eight at the latest was probably six or seven. Yeah, something like that. Maybe even five. I don’t know. Cool story, though. Thank you for sharing that. I appreciate it. I mean, that’s one of those ones that’s a lot better than some. So I always have a problem with the sound ones, right? Or the, you know, you know, I heard something, right? Because
you’re, you know, you can hear a lot of things, right? I have a, I have, I heard something one and, and I don’t even totally believe it, but I do believe it happened, but it’s really hard to explain, but you know what I mean? It’s not, it’s not like I heard a creek down the hallway. Um, I heard something right in my ear. And so it was like right next to me, but, um, you know, you actually had this visual and you saw it more than once. So you, You engaged, you broke off looking at it, then you looked at it again, everything was still happening, and it obviously was not the norm. The only thing, I mean, I wouldn’t bring up my thing to a paranormal demonologist, paranormal investigator, whatever, because I wasn’t able to actually even see with my own eyes. I can’t say I saw. There is a flaw in my story of how I did want to see, even as a kid,
if I can turn the corner and see this with my own eyes, cause then I’m like, I know I’m not, the light isn’t playing a trick on me. You know, I wasn’t too naive to know that this could just be some light trick, but the fact that I saw enough movement, it was like clearly a blonde woman. Like I don’t, I’m not asleep, but yeah. Oh, that’s wild. Well, so I guess you, cause you won the quiz tonight. You could have, free night in the sally House. No, I’m just joking let’s go that’s 250 dollar value i was gonna pay 250 plus tax for me uh no well unfortunately it’ll be an imaginary one, so just a coupon. Imagine yourself at the sally house for an evening. I’ll try to imagine you’re right it’s in the whelps. Yeah. One of the other things, I’m a little torn with this one because it does have a big reputation and there have been
some documented, you know, things with the sighting show. And I know a bunch of other shows. I know ghost adventures has actually been there since, uh, at some point in time. I know they were there and even some other ghost shows. A lot of ghost shows have been there, but i’m a little torn because my other, um, kind of rule on things with this kind of stuff is if somebody’s charging money, then you have to be extra skeptical because yeah it’s in their best interest for it to be, Haunted. This one is a little different because i don’t think they actually started running it out until much later. Like, just recently, you know, within the last 10 years so if all this stuff happened in the 90s. It was only in the last 10 years that they actually are renting it out. So, a little bit of separation from the events uh that made it famous to when they’re cashing in on it um but uh yeah it was but it is definitely a spooky looking house. And so
I think maybe there’s something there, but a little bit of, you know, a little bit of salt with the fact that they’re charging, especially $250. The bed didn’t even look nice. No, you’re dealing with like a sleeping bag or so. I think, right. Like there’s electricity, right. I can blow this mattress up. I agree with you. Well, 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Once there’s money behind something, you know there’s extra pain on it. Like I said, I actually do kind of believe this story. I know they’re probably keeping it looking this terrible because they want to… It doesn’t have to look bad to be haunted. A new house could be haunted. The ghosts don’t care. The demon doesn’t care. It’s haunting a house. It’s the people talking in the 250. They’re like, no, keep the
the green felt-looking pool table floor. Keep it. Don’t touch it. No, no, don’t touch the old lamps and the peeling paint. No. Keep it. Have you ever spent an eye in there? Hell no. I take the money. You’ve got to spend it with walls. Goodness gracious. Haunted or not. Can you go back real quick to the doll picture? Is that a Raggedy Ann doll? Over there? Yeah, right there’s a Raggedy Ann. Yeah, those guys are creepy. I think… You know Annabelle? Yeah, I’ve heard of Annabelle. And how she was actually a Raggedy Ann. She was a Raggedy Ann doll, yeah. If they actually used the Raggedy Ann doll in the Annabelle movies, I’d be way more scared. Way, way more scared. There’s like a clown doll there. Then there’s some angels there. That makes it even more creepy. Contradicting. But yeah.
Couldn’t make breakfast in this kitchen. It’s pretty sparse. Yeah. So I think on the Sally house, we’ll say potentially something to it. Yeah. What do you think? I agree. I agree. I forgot to ask you at the beginning, but because you’ve been on so many times, but a thousand crazy questions is your show. I did mention that, but I didn’t ask about it. And then, uh, if anybody wants to go check it out, it’s at a thousand crazy questions.com. Yeah. Right. Oh yeah. Follow them. Follow them on Instagram. Yeah. Have you got to a thousand yet? No. A thousand questions asked. I don’t know if I’ve asked a thousand. I know I definitely have over a thousand. Oh, there you go. Yeah. It’s a, yeah, my podcast,
There’s a whole backlog, three seasons. I have one more episode before the end of the close of the third. I’ve been dragging my feet on it because I’m working on a different project. Do you want to talk about that or no? Very briefly. I’m shifting my focus to go to another passion of mine, which is movies. I’m doing a bunch of movie review stuff and working on a project in the background. I’m kind of shifting things. However, I’m not done with the podcast. It’s going to be on a break for a while. But, yeah, the back episodes are all there. And since it’s very episodic, you can click on literally any of them and still enjoy it. So, yeah. But, yeah. Evergreen content is what they say. It is. It is. Evergreen content. So, the questions are weird. And only a few of them. Never mind. I had a bad joke. I’m not going to.
It was about politics. Forget it. But yeah, no, Thousand Crazy Questions, the podcast, Spotify. Some are on YouTube. I need to make some more YouTube videos, but some of them are on YouTube. Anywhere you can find podcasts. And yeah. Is your movie thing called A Thousand Crazy Movies? No. No? Okay. I’m just going by Houston Pierce with my movie content. Oh, okay. I’m just… reviewing and and doing things around movies with the name Houston. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, more to come soon. I’ll release more things with that later i’m curious now. I think we’ll check it out here. Yeah. All right. Thanks for, yeah, thanks for the plug. Yeah, well, no problem. Yeah, I should have done it earlier. I normally do at the beginning i i just we just were chatting and i just jumped right into it, so.
Well, Houston, thank you so much for being here tonight, and thanks for talking about The Sally House, which is definitely not your topic of choice because I just sprung it on you. And everybody go check out A Thousand Crazy Questions and then see what he’s got in the background there with Houston Pierce doing Houston Pierce and the movies. I don’t know. What are you calling it? Do you have a title or no? I don’t yet. Okay, I’m on TikTok. I’m on TikTok at Houston Pierce. I didn’t put that in there. Oh, there you go. If you want to see movie reviews I already have out and movie-related review stuff, yeah, okay. Go to TikTok at Houston underscore Pierce, I think is my tag there. I haven’t created – I made an Instagram account, but there’s nothing on it yet. So I’m trying to figure out how to do that with Instagram and how the algorithm works. So, yeah, give me a second about that one. But TikTok at Houston Pierce. There you go. Go check it out, everybody.
All right, Houston. Thanks for being here. And we’ll see you all next time with the… She doesn’t want to be disturbed.

The Jersey Devil, a legendary cryptid from the Pine Barrens; Frank successfully completes a trivia quiz on the creature’s lore—including its origin as the 13th child of Mother Leeds—before sharing his personal theory that cryptids and UFOs are interdimensional beings slipping through “thin” spots in our reality. The duo concludes by discussing the limitations of human perception, suggesting that our brains may “photoshop” out strange phenomena that don’t fit our standard three-dimensional understanding of the world.

The Overnightscape

So Frank, how’s New Jersey these days? Well, New Jersey is like Antarctica at this point. It’s very frigid, a lot of ice and snow everywhere. Other than that, it’s Jersey. There’s nothing else like Jersey. It’s one of the greatest places in the world and a very weird place as well. The garden state. Yes, absolutely. Welcome to Mondo Frico. How’s everybody doing today? My guest is going to be Mr. Frank. Do we do Frank Edward Nora for your guest appearances as well? Yes. Frank Edward Nora. Yes. You all three of them. Okay. I wasn’t sure. Frank Edward Nora. We’re going to talk a little bit about the Jersey devil. Frank is a big proponent of the state of New Jersey, as you just heard at the intro. And so what if you had to say, what’s your favorite thing about New Jersey?
besides the Jersey devil, obviously, what would it be? Well, I mean, to people outside New Jersey, it has this horrible reputation and people think it’s just this dirty smelling, like piece of crap place to live. But when you’re here, you understand, first of all, it has pretty much everything. It’s like, if you took the entire United States and sort of crushed it down into this tiny, tiny, tiny area, New Jersey is that. So we have weird, We have the mountain lands in the north with people who are hunters out west. Down south, we have these weird pine barrens, which we’re going to talk about with these weird hillbilly-type people. We have cities. We have seashores. We have everything. And it is by far the most densely populated state in the United States. But beyond all that, so people that are here generally love New Jersey. Because you get to know all the roads and towns and areas.
It’s almost like driving through different dimensions. They’re so distinct. Like I would take drives even down to where my parents used to live. And each of the different ways I could go had such a different feeling. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen that in other places. But beyond all that, there is just this weird sense of strangeness and greatness that is very hard to pin down and put into words that exists here in New Jersey. And everyone knows about it. You know, there’s that magazine Weird New Jersey that very much touches on all of that stuff. But it is something of a magical place. And the fact that everyone looks down on us just makes us more, you know, makes us love New Jersey all the more. In fact, there’s the New Jersey Hall of Fame opened recently in the American Dream Mall. And they have a whole movie about that aspect. It’s about New Jersey overall, but about how people in New Jersey, you know, take that as a mark of pride. And of course,
As we’re going to talk about, we have the best state monster of any state. We have the Jersey duck. The best state monster, of course. And it’s certainly a different monster, I would say. Definitely. Well, if folks don’t know, Frank has a show called The Overnightscape that’s been going on now for 24 years. I couldn’t remember. It was like 23 years. 23 years. 23 years. Okay. Yeah. And you can catch it at the overnight. I misspelled night there. Dang it. Overnightscape. I forgot the T. Yeah. Theovernightscape.com. Yeah. Yeah. There we go. That’s more like it. That’s it. Theovernightscape.com. And so you can, I’ve been listening to Frank for 23 years now. Yeah. Pretty much. I think I caught you really early on. So.
Well, you were doing the, what was it called before that? You were doing a different show. Well, you were kind of doing a bunch of different things prior to the Overnightscape emerging. And I remember I listened to that stuff and contacted you way back when. What was it called? Bluffcosm.com. Yes, Bluffcosm.com was my first internet radio website. And then when podcasting started, I actually took your XML feed to make my XML feed. We both started real. We were some of the first podcasters, you and I. I know. Isn’t that crazy to think about? I’m like, it’s been, yeah. So we just entered our 27th year of doing the show, the Static Radio. And then I’m doing this thing here. It’s goofiness here, Mondo Frico. That actually appears on Static Radio as well. But yeah, so it’s been a long time going.
going here? It’s amazing. I’m trying to decide, you know uh if it’s i like to think of it as something that’s been really, really good and positive. But then i also think about oh gosh i’ve been doing this for 27 years. Is there something wrong with me you know you gotta ask yourself these things. I don’t know. I ask myself that all the time, what, what is going on with this stuff? But, uh, you know, I have faith in the people of the future that they will discover our works and enjoy them on into the far future. Yes. Yeah. Let’s just do that. Let’s go with that. I mean, it’s been an interesting ride and, and you and I’ve actually did a thing on another project called prior caster. We talk about all that stuff. So, but here on Mondo, you know, we talk about weird things and I think, uh, let’s just go into the quiz, shall we? Yes.
Quiz. Quiz. Quiz. All right. So we’re going to go into the quiz on the Jersey Devil. I’m going to ask you five questions. They should get harder as we go along. So the earlier ones will be easier. The later ones should be harder. And it’s multiple choice. So don’t, you know, you wait for your choices in case. All right. First question. Where is the legendary home of the Jersey Devil? Is it A, the Pine Barrens, B, a slightly damp corner of the Newark Airport baggage claim, C, the Appalachian Mountains, or D, the Great Dismal Swamp? That would be A, the Pine Barrens. All right. You got it right. This is an easy one. You also mentioned the Pine Barrens already. Yes, already, yes.
So as we move along here and get a little tougher, what is the most commonly cited number of children that Mother Leeds had before the birth of the devil, the Jersey Devil? Would it be A, 8, B, 10, C, 12, or D, 47, but 45 of them were just very enthusiastic squirrels? That would be C, 12. Oh, my gosh. It was the 13th child. Yes. It was the devil. Yes. All right. Two for two. Frank is killing it. All right. So let’s move on here. Number three. The period of most intense sightings that brought the creature national and international attention occurred over a single week in what specific month and year? February 2012 when he lost his car keys near a Wawa. July 1890, January 1909, or December 1855? I’m going to have to guess the 1855. Going with D, 1855? Yeah.
It was January 1909. You were very close. Okay. Very, very close, right? I mean, they’re all old. I mean, the Wawa one was obviously out of the… It was not anywhere near it. So, okay, well, you’re two for one now. Still going to win it, I think. So, in 1909, one of the most famous reported encounters involved a postmaster and his wife. In what specific town were they claimed to have been trapped in their house while the creatures circled outside? Was it A, Trenton, B, Gloucester City, or if I said that correctly, C, Atlantic City, D, Freehold, or E, inside a hollowed out artisanal cheese wheel? I would have to say Gloucester City. Oh, Gloucester City. You want to change your answer or you think that’s it? Final answer. All right. Gloucester City. So I actually came close to saying it correctly. So that was right. All right. So you got
Three for one. You’re doing fantastic. You’re going to win now. This is inevitable. You’re in the Super Bowl. Can we say that? We’re not saying it about monsters. It’s a big game. Yeah, it’s a big game. The historical non-supernatural Leeds family in New Jersey was significant. Which of the following is true about Daniel Leeds, who founded the family’s presence in the state and whose almanac printing business was may be related to the legend. Was it A, he was a famous Quaker abolitionist who fled the state. B, he was a prominent early New Jersey Almanac printer who was in a political and religious feud with the Burlington Quaker establishment. C, he invented the Taylor Ham versus pork roll debate just to annoy people. Or D, he was an explorer who first mapped the Pine Barren regions. That’s a mouthful there. I think the answer is B.
B, he was a prominent early New Jersey almanac printer who was in a political and religious feud with the Burlington Quaker establishment. Yes, final answer. That’s right. Wow. Four correct, only one wrong, which was a year, which I always think those are the hardest questions, to be honest with you. Don’t you? Yeah, it can be tough getting that actual year. Yeah, nailing down a year is just too much, I think. Well, congratulations, you won that. So you really, you know your devil lore. Let’s take a quick break and then we’re gonna come back and I’m gonna read a little story and then we’re gonna talk about it. Here we go. Mondofrico. Mondofrico. Mondofrico. Mondofrico, that’s what you’re listening to and watching right now. So here’s a quick story about the Jersey Devil, just to give you some background in case you didn’t know.
The Jersey Devil is a legendary cryptid said to inhabit the remote pine barrens of southern New Jersey. The most popular version of its origin story dates back to 1735 and revolves around a woman known as Mother Leeds, often identified as Deborah Leeds. Having already given birth to 12 children, the distraught Mother Leeds supposedly cursed her 13th unborn child in a moment of frustration, exclaiming, let it be the devil. When the child was born, it was initially a normal baby, but it quickly transformed into a monstrous creature with a horse-like or goat-like head, bat-like wings, cloven hooves, a forked tail, and a generally grotesque appearance. Growling and screaming, the creature killed the midwife and some of its siblings before escaping up the chimney and flying out into the pine barrens where it has supposedly been lurking ever since.
The creature sometimes historically referred to as the Leeds Devil is most commonly described as a bipedal kangaroo-like beast that moves quickly, hops, and emits a terrifying, blood-curdling scream. Over the centuries, the Jersey Devil has been blamed for everything from crop failures and livestock killings to simply terrifying locals and visitors of the Pine Barrens. The most famous wave of sightings occurred in January 1909 when hundreds of people across New Jersey And Philadelphia claimed to have seen the creature or its strange cloven footprints in the snow. Oh, you had snow now. This massive panic led to the school closures and factory shutdowns and even prompted a $10,000 reward for its capture. So you could see how that would have helped out with the quiz immensely. But I like the whenever you do that, you know, the pre. I think that’s always better if you ask me. But I always give the guests the choice. So.
So what do you know about the Jersey Devil, Frank? What has your experience been as a native New Jerseyan? Well, it’s something you always hear about. And, you know, in New Jersey, even though it’s very small geographically, the North and the South, it’s kind of like, you know, we here in the North really don’t really visit the South very much and vice versa. And they wanted to secede at times. And we were like, let them secede. So It’s a South Jersey phenomenon. And I’m more from, well, I guess you could say originally from Central Jersey, now in North Jersey. So it’s felt like something that was far, far away. And I don’t think I’ve ever actually been to the Pine Barrens, but it’s such a big part of our state identity, right? Because I do think it’s one of the best monsters because, you know, most states, I mean, so many states have Bigfoot, you know, which, you know, it’s shared by many states. There’s Champy up,
between Canada and New York. But again, they’re sharing it. We have Chupacabras in West Virginia, which has so many, which I went to last year, has so many cryptids. Oh, yeah. They have a lot of things there. You know, but Jersey has just the one big cryptid, and it’s named after the state, and it’s unique. So we have great pride in our Jersey Devil. And of course, the hockey team named the Jersey Devils after the Jersey Devil. And, you know, it’s something that It’s just always a part of the legend of New Jersey, you know? Yeah, the hockey team. There’s no other hockey team that I know of named after a cryptid. No, other than those sort of like, you know, minor league baseball teams. No, well, I’m talking national hockey league. Yeah, the top level teams. Yeah, I don’t think there’s another. There’s no big feet, big foots, yeah. Yeah, I don’t think, yeah. And I mean, that’s quite an accomplishment because, I mean, the Devils have been around for,
Ever, as far as i know yeah i remember when they started. But yeah, it’s been around a long long time so that’s something so you think that this because you have a kind of like the the jersey devil is only in new Jersey, right, and only happens in usually around the pine barrens and stuff like that, do you think that it is uh more animal or more supernatural or paranormal? Well, my theory about the cryptids may be a little different than other people’s because I think a lot about interdimensional geometry or higher dimensional geometry. So the idea is that we live in a three-dimensional world. But in theory, there could be another three-dimensional world stacked on top of this one in the fourth dimension. And there could be doorways between these worlds that could exist.
we’re very close. So let’s say we might be two millimeters away from a whole nother three dimensional world. And there could either be standing gateways or different animals, creatures or beings could naturally be able to cross over to this between the two worlds. So the idea is that if you had life forms, like all of these cryptids that are reported, and I do believe in the concept of when there’s smoke, there’s fire. This phenomenon of mysterious creatures that are innumerable sightings but impossible to pin down and get samples of or anything, to me would be a sign of a being that can transfer back and forth between these worlds. So I think that, for example, an area like the Pine Barrens, it could be an area where they talk about the fabric between the two worlds being less dense. And a creature like this that is native to, say, the next world over,
could accidentally or deliberately cross over into our world and then just cross back over, being that we have no capacity to travel interdimensionally. We don’t have the technology, as far as we know. We’d be at the only thing. We could try to encounter it when it was here. And you could have stray, like, for example, did you hear the story that’s going on in India right now? There is one elephant that has gone insane in India and has and is going from town to town killing people has killed 22 people already, right? Elephants, yeah, I just saw this story. It’s just from the other day. Elephants are usually very peaceful and, you know, obviously don’t, but this one elephant went insane and hasn’t been caught yet and has been murdered, or like I said, killed 22 people already. So this might be, the Jersey Devil might be an example of a type of life form where one of them went nuts, you know, the rest of them are very peaceful flying around in the other dimension, but one of them, maybe one of them
went crazy and accidentally or deliberately came over here and shouldn’t normally happen. But when one member of the group gets enraged or has some kind of sickness, it could happen. So that’s how I’m looking at this kind of thing. Yeah. So do you think the Mother Leeds story is the fabrication aspect of things to explain away the Jersey Devil as opposed to its origin story, as it were? Yeah. I mean, You know, that story strikes me as something that’s less likely, in my opinion, more of a fanciful sort of explanation for something like that. But we have a lot of like there’s a lot of stuff like this in New Jersey. Like when I was growing up, I actually made a movie called The Evil Farm, which is actually I believe it’s on YouTube or the Internet Archive. I eventually did that back in the 80s because we heard all of these local legends. There were things like the glowing grave, like you pass this graveyard in the middle of the night. This one grave starts glowing like super bright.
there was the, the pig woman’s castle in, in New Jersey where this, this half woman, half pig lived there and killed people. And we had the devil tree, which is one of the biggest things right near where I grew up. It’s still there. It’s this evil tree. And it actually, they turned it into a park at one point and everyone tried to destroy the devil tree. Last time I went there was a few years ago. There are these ax marks in there, burn marks. You just cannot destroy this tree. And it was just like evil tree. So I made up my own, fake one called the evil farm you know but we were but even back then in the 80s they’re in new and i don’t know if it’s like this everywhere just all of these weird myths and legends of these things that are happening um so maybe the fabric between the worlds is is less dense here in new jersey the interesting thing to me is I’ve, as you, as you explain kind of your take on it, which is a a very interesting take that, um, you know, it’s like, as we progress in our,
understanding of the world, right? We have less and less of those kind of stories, right? So that we don’t have the immersion of these kinds of stories so much anymore. I’m trying to think of something that would be more contemporary. I guess Slender Man might be something that’s more contemporary. I don’t know. I don’t really yet. Slender Man feels to me like something that was always sort of fictional that sort of people became obsessed with. I don’t know if it’s originated with actual sightings or something, but I’m not super familiar with that. I’m not into the creepy pasta stuff. Right. Right. Well, exactly. And so that’s what I’m saying. So we have a harder, as a society, we have a harder time kind of, these things don’t get created as often and then they don’t take off the way that they did in the past. Right. So, you know, the Jersey devil has, um,
uh, what I would call documented sightings. I mean, these people literally experienced something, you know, fully. And, uh, I mean, there’s, uh, I believe there’s newspaper articles and other, you know, um, uh, documentation of the day as it were back in that time period that, that says this happened kind of like there’s Bigfoot sightings, like there’s other things, but, but there was documentation that this actually occurred to these people. And you know, they have as much as they could, they have documented what happened. But the question remains though, you know, what was it and so forth. But your explanation is, makes a lot of sense because you know, if let’s say we, like for instance, if we just take a real world example, if you’re walking around in a park and you will come upon an ant hill, right?
and you take a stick and you poke it into the anthill, all of a sudden the giant appeared out of nowhere and he ruined our house, right? Or however the ants would associate it. And then you just walk away, never to be seen again, ever. You’ll never come by those same group of ants ever again in their lifetime or yours perhaps. And so that could easily be happening to us and that’s why it’s so unexplainable because… It’s just like, you know, we’re the anthill. And this thing just kind of waltzes in. Yeah, the idea is that it was, you know, there wasn’t really any great intention perhaps to find these incursions into our world, right? It was just sort of something more akin to an animal than an intelligent, you know, human-type being. So, yeah, super random. But you know that we know someone whose father saw the Jersey Dome. Yes, yeah, I know. So there’s been many hosts on my podcast network.
the Urban Escape Underground, and this one guy, Brian Jude, who hasn’t been around on our channel for many years, but apparently his father saw the Jersey Devil, I think, going out to his car one morning in the driveway and was face-to-face with this creature that I believe matched the description of the Jersey Devil, which does sound a lot like a dragon as opposed to anything else, if you really look at the descriptions. More than they’re saying it has a horse head. It’s like any other cryptid. Unlike any other, it doesn’t sound like anything else. Yeah. Skunk is a Bigfoot. I mean, it sounds like Bigfoot. Yeah. This one seems like as a horse head. Well, that’s kind of like a dragon. It has leathery wings. Well, that’s kind of a dragon like, you know, so. But anyway, apparently he saw this thing. I don’t know. Apparently, I don’t think it must have run off or he ran off or something. But apparently Brian Jude has been part of Jersey Devil groups hunting the Jersey Devil for many years now. So.
I don’t know if they ever made any progress, but I just, it’s just interesting that we know someone whose father saw the Jersey devil. So. Right. Yeah. So I mean, it’s like a six, six degrees of separation. Yeah. Like a few degrees, I guess you to Brian and then Brian to his father. Yeah. So, and that was not, I’m trying to remember. Cause I have, I remember him telling the story on a show back in, you know, like the early late two thousands. Yeah. And so I don’t think it was, I mean, it was like in the, 80s or something. It wasn’t that I mean, it wasn’t like, you know, in the 20s, or the 10s, or something. It was like in the 80s, or something. So which is a long time ago now, but not as long as you, you know, not as long as I think, but yeah, which is interesting. So it’s not like it’s, you know, ancient history or anything like that. It’s within, you know, a generation. So that is wild. And I would say that my theory is somewhat supported by
the somewhat maddening, like, promises of UFO revelations that the last couple of years, right? We, it almost felt at one point, what was it, like, a year or two ago? It felt like they were finally revealing stuff and showing footage and everything. And then it all kind of went away. But they showed actual footage from the military of these orbs or these discs that were traveling at speeds that no known human technology could travel at, just instantly disappearing and then kind of reappearing. as if they’re shifting, uh, you know, through higher dimensional space, which again is, is sort of what we’re talking about for these creatures potentially, but this is actually, they have actually have videos of things. I mean, I guess there’s other ways things could disappear, just teleportation or whatever, but right. Uh, to me, that’s how I, you know, like how, whatever kind of tell, but that’s how I interpret it, that, you know, there could be these other worlds very close to here, which would not be all that exotic if you actually knew about them.
Right. Or the mechanisms behind them would all be matter, energy, space, time, as we understand it, just a higher dimensional geometry. And I have a hypothesis, I guess I would call it that, you know, we Mondo Frigo talks about all these things, right? We talk about aliens, we talk about cryptos, we talk about paranormal, supernatural. I have this theory that it’s all the same thing. So the the Even though everybody loves to categorize, we are a species of categorize. We love to catalog things. We love to categorize things as a human. And we constantly do that in our everyday lives as individuals. And then as a group, we do it even more. But even though they’re different, it may be the same phenomenon. It just happens.
we encounter it in different ways. It’s the whole, you mentioned the mad elephant, but it’s the whole thing where, uh, the blind men, uh, touch the elephant and one says he’s skinny. One says he’s fat. One says he’s wiggles because we’re never seen in the same situation or under the same circumstances because it’s also random. And so, um, you know, and we’re not prepared, right? So we can’t, measure it you know we can’t you know figure out what’s happening. It happens usually so quickly that by the time it’s over, we just go with our gut, right? Oh gosh, that was, you know, this. Well, in fact, I don’t know, but that’s an idea. Well, I, I do agree as, as a theoretical framework with the idea that’s all the same. And in fact, uh, on my channel, there’s a guy, Dave in kentucky who did a series called sermons, interpreting the Bible, especially the early books. And then some of the apocrypha
from more of a technological standpoint. So instead of these things that they’re talking about were technologies and perhaps this interdimensional aspect. And if you look at the Bible in that way, it makes total sense, especially some of the parts that were edited out of the Bible, kind of like the book of Enoch, where Enoch, who is, I believe, Noah’s grandfather or great-grandfather, blatantly goes into a UFO and rises up into these weird other dimensions. In something that was part of the Bible at some point, they’re talking about a flight and a UFO. So I do think that it’s, and again, only in recent years have we had access to kind of like all of the ancient writings all around the world. You know, I love reading, you know, the Rig Veda, you know, the ancient books, the Sumerian legends.
South American legends, and they all tell the same story of this race of somewhat humanoid beings, though have more capacity than us, greater technology, larger, more powerful, and their relationship with the humans. How could it be that every society on Earth is telling this same story? And I’ve never heard of some sort of grand comparison of all this ancient literature to see what’s common between them and these civilizations that should have had no contact whatsoever. We’re talking about civilizations that are continents apart. millennia apart, all telling the same story. So my view is that for some reason, we here in this world are not allowed to know about these other worlds. We’re not supposed to know about these other worlds. That’s why any time we see a UFO or one of these creatures slips into our world, it’s a mistake. It’s not something that was meant to happen. That’s why they’re so relatively rare. Could be. Well, having…
Having seen a UFO in broad daylight, I don’t know that it was a mistake. Now, and I don’t know if you know this story or not. I’ll do it real quick. Back in 2005, I was out in the yard playing with my kids around 4 o’clock in May, which is broad daylight. And I was showing my kids planes going overhead because we happened to be in the flight path that day. of planes, and they like to see that. And I look up and i saw a sphere, a metallic sphere fly over my house from horizon to horizon that i far i could see in less than 30 seconds. And I just happened to catch it in the corner of my eye. And I was able to track it across the sky as it went over us and at at altitude, right. So I was looking
Things probably around 10,000 feet. My guess is it was somewhere in that neighborhood because it seemed to look similar height as what we were looking at earlier. And it just went over. And the thing is, I think my thought was that this probably happens more than we care to believe. And you just have to be there at the right time, looking in the right place at the right time. It’s not like now where we have planes going over every day all the time. But maybe there’s only whoever was flying that. If it was a robot, I have no idea. Was anybody in it? I have no idea. But whatever it was doing, maybe it’s one of two things on the entire planet. And it’s just crisscrossing. Maybe it was doing a survey. I don’t know.
And I just happened to look up at that point in time to catch it. And so, yeah. And so I don’t know that we’re not supposed to see it. I just think that we, we don’t plan to see it. And so half the time people just ignore it or they don’t allow themselves to see it, which is another issue. I think there’s also, and I don’t know what it is exactly, but there is, The general population, I think mostly ignores all these things. And so that’s why it doesn’t happen to more people. Not saying I’m special or you’re special or anybody special. I’m just saying that, you know, some people notice more than others and some people are just so involved in their minutia that they don’t notice anything that’s not part of that. And I think that’s where some of this lands. Yeah. I think, uh, do you remember there was a movie, a documentary
That was real big about 20 or 25 years ago called What the Blank Do We Know? Do you remember that one? Oh, I vaguely remember that, yeah. So I know I watched it. I don’t remember much of it. But they had the one scene where it was in Hispaniola, I think, when the first European ships were arriving. And they said that, and I don’t know if this was based on reports or just theories, but that the natives that were there could not, even though the ships were right in their field of vision, they could not see them. like it was something that they were not at all familiar with. So only one of them was able to see the ships. And then when this person said, no, touch them on the shoulder, look out there, then they were able to see it. So the idea is that there could be things that are right in front of our eyes that we just, we don’t see or perceive or acknowledge at all because there are things that we don’t. So you could say that there could be a lot more mysterious things in our fields of vision that,
we simply cannot acknowledge or see due to some aspect of perception. Yeah, I think so. Even now, more than ever, we’re constantly surrounded by radio waves. Everybody’s got a Wi-Fi router in their house now. You’re surrounded by this thing transmitting and receiving radio waves constantly, constantly. And then you have your cell phone, same kind of thing. When the cell phone goes, there’s constantly stuff going around. You cannot see any of it, right? Because we’re not built to perceive that. But, and if we were built to perceive it, it would probably drive us incredibly nuts to have that happening constantly. And so I think, yeah, some of it is just gets blocked because we do have a, an advanced filtering system. Have you ever heard the thing where you never see your nose unless you really try?
But your nose is always in your field of vision. Well, there’s also the blind spot test. If you find them online, there’s so it’s when you do it, you realize that you’re not seeing what you’re really seeing. So for example, you know, each of us on either side of our field of vision, there’s a spot where whatever the back of the eye is, whatever, there’s a thing there that you can’t see, but your mind fills it in. So there’s tests where there’s like a pattern of bricks, let’s say, and there’s a, there’s an area where there’s a blatant white dot, let’s say, And if you move it towards your face, you are perceiving in your slight peripheral vision, the white dot disappears and you just see the brick pattern continuing, which shows you that your brain is essentially photoshopping things all the time on your blind spots. And that shows that your mind is photoshopping things in your field of vision to remove them. Right. So that’s it. So it’s a very simple thing that you could see yourself that you’re not seeing what you’re seeing.
Right. We’re seeing like the light goes into our eyes and then it goes through a process of interpretation. So you might say if there if there was a thing like if it was if your brain was programmed, oh, edit out all of the weird creatures that are floating around, then you’d never see them. Right. And it almost catches you off guard in a way. I think that’s an interesting thing. But so let’s we’re going to meander back. We kind of got off a little bit. Let’s meander back to the to the Jersey Devil itself. So. you’re thinking that it probably is something that comes from a possible another dimension. And I love the thin spots in the veil, which that is totally, as you were talking about it, that’s totally, you mentioned Photoshop, from working with editing of graphics and so forth, because everything’s layered, right? And so there’s an infinity.
Infinite amount of layers that can happen. So why isn’t there an infinite amount of layers in our reality, right? And so it just kind of comes in and comes out at will perhaps at by accident. Perhaps we don’t know yet But so you don’t, you think it’s a creature still, but it may be it and other dimensional or other Kind of worldly in a way creature and as opposed to something that was born in this one. Am I getting that right? Yeah. When you say another dimension, it sounds very exotic, but it would be just, in theory, another world just like this one, just with different stuff there. And the idea of how does it go back and forth, I mean, I do think that all life forms, us included, have a higher dimensional aspect to our own bodies. But for some reason, we don’t know how to sort of move things
in this higher dimensional way. I think it would be totally in the realm of possibility that a life form, a creature, an animal like the Jersey devil could just have a capacity to perceive where the fabric is less dense and to go through. It’s just simply to, you know, the idea is that if we’re already four dimensional or five dimensional physical bodies, Right. You could imagine there could be any number of ways to sort of propel yourself in a four or five dimensional direction. We just we lack that because I think that for whatever reason, we’re sort of meant to be we’re meant to stay here in this one particular world. We’re not meant to explore other worlds just yet as a species. But for these other other beings, I think it would be completely possible. And again, if you were able to sort of see it all.
understand the whole process, there would be nothing supernatural about it. It would simply be part of nature that we’re not familiar with. So nothing magic or shimmering doorways. It’s all, it would all be quite understandable. So if you had the opportunity, if I could, if I could tell you tomorrow, I say, Frank, I’m coming over, we’re going to run down to the Pine Barrens and we’re going to see the Jersey devil. Are you in? Absolutely. I would, I would love to see something like that. I, uh, I’ve had a lot of weird experiences, but I have not seen an actual cryptid with my own eyes. Or I don’t think I’ve seen a UFO with my own eyes either. There was a few times. I think I may have seen one of the drones from New Jersey we had a couple years ago. Oh, really? The Jersey drones? Oh, wow. I may have seen one early, early in the morning. But my hairdresser actually saw a line of like 40 drones pass over her house. Oh, wow. Like low? Low? Real low? Yeah, like a line of 40 of them, each one the size of a small car. Oh, wow.
You know, and that was that whole thing. Just again, you talk about these phenomena that happen. Who even talks about the drones in New Jersey from just a couple of years ago? I think it was 2024 that all happened, if I’m not mistaken. It was actually that’s how Mondo Frico became a thing was talking about the Jersey drones. So that’s what hatched the idea for doing this was when the Jersey drones showed up. partially and there’s other things involved, but yeah, that was one of the big first. And yeah, there were explanations promised and the explanations were, if you recall, the explanation from the administration was it was a mix of hobbyists and a military and that’s it. Like they didn’t go into any detail. Well, I don’t know that you, I can’t buy a small car drone. Yeah. It’s not a hobbyist thing that a drone like that is,
corporate or military there would be no, there’s no hobbyist level at that. Yeah. I have two drones. One is very very small and the other one is probably like uh RC car stock, you know, guys uh, plat, you know, area, not that heavy, but, um, yeah. And so, yeah, you can’t, I mean, getting anything much bigger than a box is, you know, your standard shipping box is, I mean, that’s not in the realm of, of personal ownership. They don’t want you to, you know, that’s become there becomes a whole other issue. Whenever people can pick up small children with a four rotor device, then they don’t really like people to do that. So, yeah. The other thing about the Jersey Devil that comes to mind is for many years, my my my the way I viewed the Jersey Devil was it must have been in a book somewhere.
They took an illustration from Alice in Wonderland or Through the Looking Glass, one of those books. It was Sir John Tennille’s version of the Jabberwocky. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Which that was the image I had of the Jersey Devil, which is actually similar. It was sort of bipedal with the wings and sort of the head on the long neck. And I just found that strange that I don’t know where that originated, but it seemed like the Jabberwocky, which was an imaginary creature, like looked a lot. And that’s the question was, I guess, Alice in Wonderland was written before or after the Jersey devil stuff started to be reported probably afterwards, right? 18 afterwards. Yeah. Yeah. 18, mid 1800s, maybe offhand. I’m trying to remember 1830s, 1840s, maybe, I don’t know. I need to look it up. But yeah, so that, that vision, and I would have to look up the illustration, but that’s how me and I think a lot of other people, because I think it was in a book that said, this is what the Jersey devil looks like, but it was the, it was the Jabberwocky from, you know,

In November 1989, a notable UFO sighting occurred in Campbellton, New Brunswick, involving two sisters who witnessed an extraordinary display over Sugarloaf Mountain. While the sisters were on Van Horne Crescent, they observed three large, triangular crafts hovering silently in the night sky. The objects were described as having distinct lights and exhibited flight patterns that defied conventional physics, including the ability to move backward and then accelerate forward at incredible speeds before vanishing into the darkness.

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Hey, Frankie. How’s it going tonight? I’m doing great, Bob. What’s going on tonight? Happy New Year. Oh, it’s true. Happy New Year. Did you see any lights in the sky? Do you believe it? We had a meteor go right over the St. Louis Arch on New Year’s Eve. Oh, really? I was inside on New Year’s Eve at a party. It was minus 20 outside on New Year’s, so we stayed under the mini splits with with everything we needed. Didn’t even look inside. It was so freaking cold. We’re good. So let’s just start it off. We’ll talk to Frankie here and find out more about him, and then we’ll go into our story for this week. Frankie, staying inside in negative 20 degrees, why? I mean, come on, you’re Canadian. Oh, my God. Well, like, I’m not sure if you can see it real well, but my hands are so cracked. The cold weather just does not do my hands any good. So I just cover it in, like, before I went on, I just covered it in, what do you call it, the…
What do you call it? The gel. I use it so much now I can’t even remember what it’s called. The cream, the cream. Anybody listening who can tell me what that cream is called? What do you want to call it? Utter butter? Have you ever used that stuff? Working cream. I think it’s called like working hand cream or something like that. Something like that. Yeah, I’m pretty sure that’s actually real. You guys can look that up on maybe like Amazon. I just get it from our local grocery store. Uh, but i normally pokes myself in that like God, uh, it’s right now it’s minus, uh, seven. I’m just checking my, uh, temperature there. Uh, minus seven out right now. I feel like, a a meteorologist right now with the microphone and I’m, what’s it look like outside tonight frankie well right well bob right now it’s cold. So I’m staying in and i’m calling in sick. it’s 34 degrees here. Thank goodness.
Plus on negative seven. Gosh. Oh, my God. No, it’s unreal. I will trade with you right now. Well, everybody, Frankie runs Corcoran Entertainment. He is in Canada, specifically somewhere in New Brunswick. I can’t remember exactly where, and I’m not going to tell you just in case he doesn’t want me to. Anyway. What’s that? Miramichi, New Brunswick. Miramichi? Yeah. I won’t give you my exact address, but you got an idea of where that is. It sounds like a cherry, like Maraschino, Maraschino. Or people joke, they say Mayor McCheese. Mayor McCheese runs Mayor McCheese runs Maraschino. That’s pretty good. Well, he’s all the way on the east side of Canada. Yeah, I’m an east coaster. He’s an east coaster. Yeah, so. It’s all good, though. And so if you want to find out more about Frankie, you can go to at Corcoran Entertainment on the Instagram and Facebook.com slash Corcoran Entertainment. He and I have talked many, many times on his show, which is available on all platforms. And you should check it out. I’m in awe. Frankie gets the best people. I’m telling you. You have to go check it out. He’s always got somebody good. And
I don’t know how he does it, but he keeps it up. I’m surprised. Bob Lament. I always get Bob Lament on. I’ve had Bob on how many times? He’s easy. Just recently, you added almost like a service on your website, which is need a guest? Call Bob, essentially. I love that. That’s right. I’ve been pushing to be a guest. I’m like, you need somebody to talk? I’ll come on. Someone’s funny. as soon as I saw that, I said, you and I kind of joked about it the last time you were on my show last month. And so I saw that I said, Oh, he took what I said to her. I said, it was good advice. I was just joking. I made a joke. I was like, well, Bob, you’re, you’re always my go-to if I need someone. And then you’re, and then after we stopped recording, you’re like, you know, when you said that, you know, anytime you need someone, like, let me know. I said, and that’s good. Bob will show up like whenever you need them. And it’s,
Scheduling-wise, for some people, it’s always, okay, so when are you free? Oh, I’m free at this time, but not after this time. If you tell Bob, he’s like, I’ll make it work. So anybody listening who needs a guest, Bob is the man. He’s always up for really anything. There’s not even much preparation whenever I have you on my show. We just press record. whatever comes out goes, and it’s gold. That’s the way I like to work, too, without a net. I love to just go into it and see what happens. Were you kind of like that when you started Static Radio? Oh, yeah. We never prep. We never prep for anything. That’s the good part and the terrible part because sometimes it’s really good and sometimes it’s, you know, maybe we should have prepped. Okay, because it’s funny because
When I started, I was kind of the opposite. I literally had like bulletin boards of like, almost like I was a homicide detective who’s like, okay, so then how am I going to segue into this part here? And then now I’m just like, ah, just roll with it. You know what I mean? I said, you know, because half the time I would put in all the work trying to come up with different ways to segue into certain topics. And then eventually there was one point where I just ignored it and we just spoke from the heart, and I just said, yeah, just don’t stress about it. When I started, I was kind of stressing too much about it. So it’s just go with the flow. What happens, happens. If they hate you, then they don’t have to come on again. But it is what it is, right? But clearly, Bob’s been having a good time coming on the show because he keeps coming back, and I appreciate it.
Oh, no, it’s fantastic. I mean, a fantastic show. You’re great to talk to. And we go through so many different topics. It’s fun. It’s fantastic. And tonight, this is a choice point for you. Because whenever we talked about doing this, I said, do you want to know or do you not want to know? And so this is another choice point. So I do a quiz each show about the topic. Now, I’ll give you the choice to hear what the topic actually is, or you can go in cold and just take the quiz. Ah, let me see. Might be more entertaining to go in cold. Oh, I love that. That’s what I would say. It matches my current environment where it’s cold. So let’s embrace it. All right, so we’re gonna go right into the quiz. Here’s some music.
Quiz. All right, Frankie. So we’ve got five questions for you about the topic tonight, and they’ll kind of reveal itself as we get into the quiz a little bit here. So it’s multiple choice, so you don’t have to work too hard. Thank God. I was going to say, I should have checked with that. I said it better be multiple choice because then I’m going to feel like an idiot. And hopefully there’s a few things in the quiz that you should know probably anyway. More than likely. It starts out easy, gets harder as we go. Here’s your first question. Are you ready? Ready. Okay. So this is in what year did the sisters witness the UFOs over Campbellton? And that is in New Brunswick, by the way. Right. Which you may be familiar with. Yeah. Look at that. Yeah. About an hour or so away from me. Hour and a half. Yeah. Campbellton. Like, yeah. So A, 1979. 1979.
B, 1989, C, 1999, or D, the year they finally finished construction on the Trans-Canada Highway? So never. Um… Never. Never? Never? Oh, Frankie, let’s see. Hold on. The year was 1989. i shoot i was actually going back and forth between that and never. I’m like, something tells me no. That’s all right. That’s the first one. Don’t feel bad and and you had totally cold. You didn’t get any information that’s good it’s more it’s more entertaining that way for people to just be like, why didn’t he Or like, why did he go and call, you know? Because that would be kind of bland, folks. So question number two, over which specific landmark were the objects seen hovering? Here’s your choices. A, Mount Carlton. B, the Rustigosh River. C, Sugarloaf Mountain. Or D, the world’s largest axe in Nacowick.
Sugarloaf. Oh, no, no, no. Mel Carlton. Oh. Don’t tell me. So close. Sugarloaf Mountain. It was Sugarloaf. Son of a gun. I was like, I said it, and I said, no, I think Mel Carlton. Crap. I should have just trusted my gut. Yeah, exactly. You should have trusted your gut, and you would have had it. That’s okay. There’s no consequences here, so it’s not like that’s a big deal. Just the audience will look at me and go, that guy’s dumb. No, they won’t. They’ll go say, hey, I got to listen over at Frankie on Corcoran Entertainment right there at Corcoran Entertainment. Hey, they’re perfect. I like that. There you go. So question number three. What was the reported shape of the three crafts? Here’s your choices. A, disc-shaped.
B, cigar-shaped, C, triangular, or D, shaped like a giant denier with extra sauce? What was the first one again? Disc shape. Disc shape. I’m going to say that. Disc shape. Let’s see if you got it. That’s okay. That’s okay, Frank. That was a good guess because those are all… flying saucer shapes. I was going to say, I said, I was like, which of all of them fits a flying saucer? And I was like, okay, I said, not a, not a donair for sure. So there’s always a goofy one in here. So number four, question number four, which law enforcement agency officially logged the event as an unexplained sighting? Here’s your choices. The RCMP, Royal Canadian Mounted Police. The New Brunswick Provincial Police. CSIS. Or a group of concerned moose wearing reflective… A group of concerned moose wearing reflective vests. RCMP. Oh, wow. RCMP. That was quick. Perfect. You got that one right. RCMP. I love when the sound effects come on. Your mouth…
It makes me laugh. I can’t separate them, unfortunately. There’s music coming and he’s just… Here we go. I love that. Now I made my eyebrows raise on that one for you. Okay, so you got that one. Fantastic. Fantastic. We’ve got one last one. This is a weird one. How did the Royal Canadian Mint recognize this event in 2021? A, a commemorative postage stamp. B, a gold bullion bar. C, a $20 silver glow-in-the-dark coin, or D, by making the world’s largest lobster in Shadiac glow green at night? A commemorative post-amp. Oh. Sorry. That was close, though. It was actually a $20 silver glow-in-the-dark coin. This is why I didn’t want you to see you jumped on early. I didn’t want you to see. I was going to show you that it’s real. Here it is. Can you see that on your screen now? Oh, yes. Where’s that on? Is that on? That’s on the Canadian Mint website. There it is. This is the coin. Oh, shoot. There’s the back of it and the front of it came in this little box. I didn’t know if that existed or not. Oh, that’s really cool.
There you go. Isn’t that wild? I’ll do better. Well, you did fantastic. You cannot do wrong on this show, and you cannot do wrong with the quiz. You know, kudos to you for going in cold and giving it a shot. You know, I’m sure 1989 was probably before you knew about anything. Yeah, and that would have been 10 years before I was born. Yeah, see? So, Exactly. I don’t even think my parents were married that Oh, no, wait, hold on. Yeah, they were married then. Okay. They were married, but you weren’t you weren’t in the picture yet no my my sister wouldn’t have even been born yet. My sister or my brother, they’re older than me, so they would have been born a few years later. There you go well let me tell you let me tell you the story here about this. And this is the new brunswick’s most famous uh ufo story
and I’m going to read you a little bit here, and then we’re going to talk about it. So in November 1989, a notable UFO sighting occurred in Campbellton, New Brunswick, involving two sisters who witnessed an extraordinary display over Sugarloaf Mountain. While the sisters were on Van Holm Crescent, they observed three large triangular crafts hovering silently in the night sky. The objects were described as having distinct lights and exhibited flight patterns that defied conventional physics, including the ability to move forward, backward, and then at incredible speeds before vanishing into the darkness. The event gained significant credibility because it was reported to local authorities and eventually acknowledged as an unexplained sighting by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the RCMP. Even NORAD, the North American Aerospace Defense Command, was consulted, confirming that there was no known rocket launches or military exercises in the area at the time. The sighting remains one of Canada’s most famous close encounters with
It was so impactful that the Royal Canadian Mint commemorated the event in 2021 with a special $20 silver glow-in-the-dark coin as part of its Canada’s Unexplained Phenomenon series. Can you believe it? That’s cool. Actually, wow. That’s really neat. Here, I should show that coin again. It’s unbelievable. What fight is that on again? It’s on the Canadian Mint. There we go. So it’s mint.ca. I’m in, obviously, the English section. And you can go search for it. They call it the unexplained phenomenon, the Yukon encounter. It costs you $100.12 US if you want to buy this coin. But it’s pretty cool looking. Which, to Canadian, that converts to more. That’d be, what, $130-ish? $130, $140. Yeah. So, yeah, you can even buy this coin. coin that commemorates the event. That’s cool. That’s really, really neat. So what, uh, so what is your, um, thoughts on UFOs? That’s the big question, Frankie, where are you at on this UFO phenomenon? Do I think they’re real? Do I think they’re, uh, you know, it’s, it’s kind of, um, a hoax. Um, I think deep down, uh,
it’s always so tricky to say with some of those, because I think probably, you know, I think, I think the people believed what they saw for sure. I think that there was no doubt about that, that they believed what they saw, but I, I, I don’t think it was at all what they were thinking. That makes any sense. So you, your thought is that they saw something. but you don’t think it was something that would be in the traditional sense, a UFO, uh, meaning that it’s not from someplace else. That’s what I think. It’d be like you, you looking outside and seeing a, what, what to you looks like a big black dog and you’re like, Oh my God, that’s a really cute dog. And then you approach the dog and it turns out to be a grizzly bear. You know, I think that’s the type of situation where they’re like, Oh my God, it’s a UFO. And,
Oh no, it’s something else. Like, you know what I mean? Like that’s what I personally think anyway, but. So is that across the board? Would you say any siding, not just particularly this siding, but any siding would be something that you would consider misidentification? I think so. Like, I mean, even like there’s so much, there’s so many things out there that people say like is real. Like, uh, it’s one of those, uh, situations that someone, I saw someone made this, uh, made this post. It was on Reddit or some of that. And any kids listening parents, if you’re listening to this with your kids, cover their ears and turn this off. Um, there’s some people on Reddit. Someone had this, uh, subreddit one time. Cause I scroll through Reddit all the time. Someone had this theory that Santa Claus is in fact real. Um, and for me, I’m like, maybe,
but no, you know what I mean? Like it’s, it’s, uh, they presented a lot of, you know, theories and things like that. And I’m like, okay, like that’s interesting, but I don’t, I think you’re just grasping at straws here. You know what I mean? Like you’re just trying to get people to click on your subreddit. You know what I mean? Like, uh, yeah, like that’s how I say, and, and that’s not me at all trying to talk down to anybody who might think that, cause that’s everybody’s, thoughts like you know, everybody’s entitled to their own opinion. Uh, but, uh, you know, if you were to ask me me personally um i don’t think there’s nothing to it, you know, and same thing with the, with, uh, UFOs anyway. I mean, like there’s, uh, people have evidence or quote-unquote evidence that they have presented, um, whether it’s legit or not. Um, you know, a lot of it is kind of open to interpretation, I think.
Um, like you look at a lot of different things that happen throughout history. Um, you look at when jfk was assassinated and you have people who are analyzing the video, it’s online, the jfk assassination video. Uh, oh, what’s that? The Zapruder film is what it’s called. Is that what it’s called? Yeah. Oh, thumbs up. Thumbs up. There we go. Uh, um, no, it’s, it’s, uh, no, like, uh, It was like the actual footage of his assassination, like a black and white footage. Right. Exactly. Yeah. I can’t remember his first name, but a man named Zapruder was the one who took that footage when JFK got shot and turned it over to the government. He was just a person who was watching the motorcade who happened to be using an 8mm movie camera at the time and captured the footage of when he got shot.
Right. He wasn’t affiliated with anything or anyone. He was just a citizen that happened to be there and happened to catch it. And then after everything happened, he turned that film over to the authorities. Right. But then you’ll like, like I’ll see people theorizing that all coincidentally, he just happened to be filming right when the president got shot. You know what I mean? Yeah. But the, well, if your UFO, if you stick with your UFO logic, then yeah. That’s true. He just happened to be doing that because he was there for the motorcade and he filmed then because that’s when the president was coming by in front of him. He wouldn’t have filmed when he wasn’t coming by because it wasn’t like he was following along. He was in a set position. He was only, he was waiting for the president to come by. President comes by, he starts filming. Right. Well, same thing with like a Charlie Kirk where his assassination video is online and
And the reason why it was filmed is because people always filmed Charlie Kirk’s stuff. It’s different. There’s a different time. I mean, back then it was really unlikely for… Everybody couldn’t afford a movie camera. Everybody couldn’t afford to develop the film of a movie camera. And so you’re talking about… Zapruder was on the high end of people, right? So a very small percentage of people had… the means and the money to do that. Right. And so now though, everybody, I mean, I’m surprised we don’t get more stuff because everybody’s got a camera in their pocket that can film stuff. Literally just on their phones. Like I could be recording this entire conversation right now. You know what I mean? What would I use it for? I don’t know, but, uh, that’s the type of world that we live in now, you know, with, with, with, with,
cell phones. And, um, you know, it’s kind of like whenever, uh, you’re going to, um, you know, like a, a screening for like a movie or something like that, that you cannot film or, or, or divulge anything of what you saw. And, but then you have who filmed it, put just press record and stuck it in their breast pocket and walked in. Uh, there’s some of those things that you can’t control because everybody has some sort of device, recording device, whatever the case may be. And it can get out there just like that, you know? Yeah, exactly. Now back to our UFO thing. I’m going to throw a curveball here for you, Frankie. All right. Are you ready? Yes. Because you were in the camp. You were telling us you’re in the camp that you don’t believe that any of these sightings are probably all misidentification. You believe the people saw something. I’m just quoting. I’m not quoting you. Just tell me if I’m right in my interpretation here. Right. They believe what they saw.
but what they saw probably isn’t what they think. Exactly, exactly. It kind of goes back to my grizzly bear dog analogy. Oh, look at that nice dog. Oh, no, it’s a bear, you know? Oh, no, it’s a grizzly bear. That may happen in your part of the world more often than my part of the world. That happened years ago. This story, well, my grandmother won’t watch this probably, but there’s a dog when we always went to my grandmother’s house Uh, who’s 90, uh, going on 92 this year, uh, still going strong. And, uh, there was a time that, uh, she, she, uh, stepped outside like years ago to go grab the mail. And, uh, she looked up and, uh, there’s a dog that always, there was this chocolate lab that always came down the street to come see us. And she was, oh my God, like, you know, it’s, uh, so-and-so I can’t remember the dog’s name. And she walked up closer to like, oh, here, here, here, buddy, here, buddy. And then it was a bear. And she, she said she ran.
ran for the house. So that story there was kind of inspired. Uh, so yeah, she, she, she ran like a bat out of hell. That’s terrible. Your poor grandmother gets spooked by a bear well i i’m gonna throw i’m gonna throw a curveball in here because Frankie, I have seen a UFO. Really? Yes. In a movie? No, above my head in, in the real world. So, uh, It’s not been recently. Back in 2005, I was outside. It was 4 o’clock in the afternoon, which means it’s broad daylight. In the month of May, I think it was May 5th or something like that. So very well lit. It wasn’t dark. It wasn’t a light in the sky. And a sphere, a ball, a metal ball, flew over my head at what I would say would be
you know, like plane altitude, right? Approximately. I have no, I don’t, I’m not a pilot, so I have no idea, but I would guess somewhere around 5,000 to 10,000 feet. And I happened to be, my son was very small and we were watching for planes and I was, we saw planes go overhead and I go, Hey, look, And then this thing comes over, and it was not a plane. It was a sphere. And it was about four times the size of the front end of like a 747 nose cone kind of thing, right? But it was a ball, and it was metal because it was glinting in the sunshine. And it flew over us and went from all the way to the southwest, I think, all the way to the northeast.
southeast to the northwest. And, yeah, it was weird. It was really, really, really weird. It lasted maybe 30 seconds tops to get from horizon to horizon. And I didn’t catch the whole 30 seconds. So, yeah, I seen that, and it was totally bizarre. I can’t explain it. I didn’t get a picture because this was 2005, didn’t have a camera, and didn’t have a cell phone on. the time. I took a cell phone picture in 2005 and it would have been garbage anyway. Anyway, that’s part of I’m kind of tossing this at you, but that’s part of what the show is about because unexplained things happen all the time. And then the question becomes, and I totally agree with you because I think that I think a certain percentage, and it could be a high percentage, are exactly what you’re talking about. But
had I not had that experience myself, I would probably be totally in your camp. Now, I don’t know that it was something from someplace else. I just know it was something that I’ve never seen before and I’ve never seen since. And it’s something that doesn’t make any sense in our world. Why would you have a round aircraft of any sort? Because how would you land? I mean, it was like a all in the sky. And so anyway, so yeah, so then that changed my perspective and and so now i have to really think about it. So, um, the, uh, this one, and i think the other thing is interesting is this one, the campbellton one over sugarloaf mountain, two people saw it. Now for me, it was just me and i had two small children. They don’t remember anything.
my daughter and my son who were both very, very young at the time. And, um, and they didn’t even see it. I saw it and I stopped talking and just watched it and they were, we were swinging. And so they just kept swinging. And, um, and so, yeah, it was just me. Um, so, but anyway, I did talk about it on, on my show a long time ago. Um, but, uh, the interesting thing is it’s two sisters. They corroborate each other. And the fact that, um, that they reported it and that even the authorities were somewhat involved. And then they even went to the lengths of making a coin about it, which is just bizarre to me. Why would in the world would they make a coin? Other than money, I suppose. It was really interesting. The money part I understand, yes.
But anyway, so that’s where I give a little more credence because normally if you talk about these things, everybody poo-poos you, right? So they’re like, what is he talking about? And so the fact that they actually kind of took it a little bit serious tells me that we are in the ballpark, right? So we’re in the ballpark that it was either something secret or something else. Right. Or like maybe someone misinterpreted it or saw it, saw something that they, uh, they saw something that wasn’t what it, what they thought it was, you know? Or, or maybe it was something that they weren’t supposed to see. Right. Exactly. Some kind of military thing. Right. I don’t know. So, you know that i think there’s a a fundamental difference between, uh, Canada, United States, as far as stuff like this goes. I don’t know that. And I haven’t read enough, um,
to be educated on this, but on the Canada side, I don’t think that there’s a huge amount of kind of Canadian secrets that they hold from everybody. And then they come out and, you know, over years they come out and then, you know, some people were involved and they were all told they were idiots. And then the reality was they were all right. I haven’t heard of a lot of that happening in Canada. Canada seems to be, I mean, I’m sure they have military secrets and so forth, but they don’t seem to basically make their citizenry, they don’t scapegoat their citizenry as much as the United States does. The United States scapegoats their citizens constantly. It’s almost like a pastime. Anything happens, oh, well, they were obviously drunk or high or they totally cut into whoever the witness was.
to make them totally unreliable at that point where I don’t think that there’s a history of that in Canada. I don’t know. You can maybe talk to that more. I don’t know. Yeah, I’ll be honest. I’m not too, I’m not, I’m not sure what it, what, what the exact, um, how far back it goes in Canada. You know what I mean? Like, uh, like that history. Uh, that’s a good question actually. Um, But you haven’t heard of stuff like that where, you know, there’s been so many like studies. The big one is the Tuskegee Airmen where they gave them all syphilis on purpose to see what syphilis would do to them. They were, you know, and then whenever they said, hey, I didn’t do anything to get syphilis. And they’re like, oh, obviously you did. You did. Yeah.
You got it. And then these poor people, you know, suffered greatly. There’s one where the United States government dropped a bacterial agent on the city of San Francisco to see who would get sick. And when it happened, they denied everything. But the reality is it came out later that, yes, they had released a deadly bacteria in the city of San Francisco and it killed people and they denied it for like 50 years. And it goes on and on and on these things. And these are all documented at this point. They weren’t documented at the time they were denied, but now they’re documented. Right. So it’s, it’s interesting how I think, I don’t think Canada has a history of that as much in this, you know, World War II was a different time when,
things like that happened because of the situation that the world was in, but these all have happened after world war two. And so it’s kind of a weird, uh, uh, scenario that plays out, um, with this. So I forgot how we got on this top, but anyway, it has to do with the ladies, the ladies seeing this thing on above, uh, Sugarloaf mountain. Um, but it is interesting though. Don’t you think? I mean, the mysteries of the world, uh, fascinate me. And I think this is one of the good ones and it happens to be in your neck of the woods. No, exactly. And it’s one that i never really knew, uh, much about. You don’t even really think about it. Sometimes it’s funny when it’s so close to home, you don’t even really, you’re so concerned about what else is going on in the world like there’s always all the theories of, uh, was 9-11 an inside job. And, uh, that’s a whole other.
Well, Charlie Kirk, you mentioned Charlie Kirk. Well, JFK, they’re all conspiracies. No, exactly. Exactly. And like some of them, when they bring up valid points, I’m like, I certainly agree with that. And then it’s never, you know, you’re not always going to make everybody go to your side for sure. Like that’s something that’s when it comes to conspiracy theories or just theories in general, you’re not going to get everybody involved. all on your side. It’s everybody has their own interpretations of how things happened. Like, um, as we said, Charlie Kirk, uh, uh, JFK, um, even there was the, uh, Donald Trump assassination attempt, which, uh, people, people believe was a publicity stunt by him to get more votes. Like that’s a whole, there’s people listing theories about that. Like there’s probably so many subreddits about that. Uh,
But no, it’s good. But one thing for sure is that it keeps people talking. You know what I mean? It keeps people engaged. It keeps people in a weird way. You know what I mean? Like it keeps us to, you know, get off our phones and talk to people. I mean, I guess they’re on their phones to a degree because they’re researching all this stuff and seeing what all the big news outlets are saying. And then some of them will just mimic what those news outlets are saying. But no, it’s good, you know. brings people together. You know what I mean? Conspiracy theories bring people together in a way. That’s the wholesome, the wholesome way to look at it. Conspiracy theories always bring people together, which you can see as a good or bad thing. That’s true. That’s so true. Well, Frankie, thanks for being here tonight and thanks for talking about this with me. And I’m, I’m glad that at the very least, uh,
first of all, I’m glad you did the quiz cold, even though it didn’t turn out greatly for you as far as answering, right. Uh, one out of four, one out of four, right. That’s not bad. It’s still a fail, but it’s not bad. I thought I was going to get none of them. You didn’t even know it. You didn’t know anything. You went into a cold. That was great. I, the bravery it took to do that is, you know, that to me sets a bar, you know what I’m saying? But it’s all about making it entertaining. As I said, you know, like it’s more fun, you know, uh, like having different late, like I’d be, I’d be the worst jeopardy, uh, contestant, you know, like going on. And, and yeah, that’s why I would never go on jeopardy. I wouldn’t be able to work good under that type of pressure or, um, family feud. I could go on family feud and not do fast money. Like I could do like the regular game, but I could not do, I couldn’t do fast money. If my family said you, you’re the only one who can do it. I’d be like, all right guys, we like, sorry, Steve or Jerry, uh,
We surrender. But at least we brought out the knowledge of the Campbellton, New Brunswick UFO sighting from 1989 over Sugarloaf Mountain that has its own coin from the Royal Canadian Met, believe it or not. But everybody, you can see Frankie and his show at Corcoran Entertainment on Instagram, Facebook, Corcoran Entertainment, and his podcast is everywhere. Just look up Guess what? You have to look up Corcoran Entertainment. Go figure, right? But Frankie Corcoran, thank you for being my guest. Hold on just a second. I’m going to play us out some music, and I’m going to talk to you in just a second, but we’re going to close it out for everybody. Here we go. Perfect. Perfect.

Tina Rush poltergeist case (also known as the Columbus Poltergeist), revealing that the alleged activity occurred in Ohio in 1984 and that skeptics later pointed to video footage showing the teenage Tina deliberately knocking over a lamp as proof of a hoax, a finding often juxtaposed with the observations of parapsychologists like William Roll.

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so i heard you guys are just like two regular guys now, retired to podcasting yeah yeah just working joes yeah you know day jobs all the way down. We left the game. We left the game. The day the day jobbers as we’ll say. The day jobbers. You were there. You were there. Hey everybody, welcome to Mondo Frico. I got the day job. How are you guys doing, day jobbers? That’s going to be your new thing. I’m going to change the graphic from just two regular guys to day jobbers. Fantastic. I’m still recovering from Thanksgiving. Yeah. Oh, what happened to you? Did you hit my car? I just ate too much. Oh, okay. Your stomach. Yeah. Yeah. No. I’m good. I’m good. I mean, yeah, you can change this to the day jobbers now because I have a job now. Oh, you have a job? That’s even better. That’s…
That’s always good. You know? Fantastic. Now you can pay me, pay you what you owe me now. So that’s fantastic. I’ll be putting my Venmo up on the screen here in just a few minutes. I’ll get right on that. If you can, uh, if you want to hit that, maybe a QR code, just zap it with your phone. You’ll be okay. Yep. Yep. So, uh, thanks for being here today, guys. Uh, this little show, we talk about weird stuff and, uh, I know, uh, Robert said he brushed up on it, but I don’t know if you brushed up on everything. And all the weird stuff. There’s a lot. There’s a lot of weird stuff out there. There is a lot of weird stuff. Hence my background here where I’m standing in a swamp of some sort. At least you are not at your desk. Yeah, I’m not at my desk. I’m out in my backyard and out in the backyard at the swamp. So you guys, are you up for possibly a little quiz on the topic at hand?
Absolutely. Is it open book? Set up for failure. Is it open book? I got the internet in front of me right now. If you’re fast with your fingers on the goog, I think we could call it open book here. All right. Well, we’ve got our researcher on the other side of the camera. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, really? What is this? Another day jobber? No, they don’t get paid. They don’t have a job. Gotcha. Just somebody, the random person that came into the apartment. So here we go. We’ll play a little quiz music and get you in the mood. All right, we have a quiz on, uh, the Tina rush poltergeist case. Now you heard anything about Tina rush before? I told you so.
The way this quiz goes. Is this what the movie Poltergeist is based off of? I don’t believe so, but we never know. We never know. Yeah, you know, these days. Because the movie Poltergeist was based on some real. Yeah, but it was based on some, well, quote, real. Yeah, yeah. So the way the quiz goes, we’ll start out with questions that are easier, and then they’ll get harder as we go along. At least that’s the plan here. all right. Is this multiple choice or? Yeah, multiple choice. I’ll read the question. I’ll read the answers. And you give me what you think is the best answer. How’s that? All right. Yeah. All right. See how this is what was it the christy rosh or the tina tina tina rosh tina rosh poltergeist case okay all right in what u.s state in year did the alleged tina ross poker
poltergeist case activity also known as the Columbus poltergeist hint wink wink primarily take place Ohio choices New York 1988 California 1980 Ohio 1984 Massachusetts 1979 Ohio 1984 is the correct answer It’s going to be one of those bait-and-switches where it’s called the Columbus Poltergeist, but it happened in California for some weird reason. Is that like a hotel called Columbus? No, it was actually Columbus, Ohio. It actually started in Kansas. Yeah. No, it was Ohio in 1984. You guys got it right. That was an easy one. We’ll move on. Next question. What common household item was featured… In the most famous and controversial newspaper photograph taken during the poltergeist events, appearing to fly near Tina of its own accord here, I suppose. A, a table lamp. B, a drinking glass. C, a telephone receiver. Or D, a wooden chair. I’m going to go with wooden chair. Yeah, I’m feeling wooden chair. Why would it be? I don’t think any of those items are controversial, though. Really? Really?
Well, it wasn’t a vibrator, guys. Come on. Like a bong just floating around. Tina’s bong flew by her face. The ghost was getting high. So you guys went with D, wooden chair? It was C, telephone receiver. It was the 80s. There was a lot of telephones on long cords. I don’t know. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But why was it controversial? Yeah, I mean, that’s the question. What’s controversial? Well, the controversy was the newspaper photograph. Okay. Controversial newspaper photograph. So apparently people didn’t believe it. Oh, yeah, of course, because it’s not real. Well, potentially, yeah. I am a ghost skeptic. I do not believe that the ghost exists. Yeah, yeah. All right, let’s move on to question number three. What specific incident provided the strongest piece of non-antidotal evidence for skeptics who claimed Tina was faking the phenomena? She was holding the phone as it flew. She’s just talking on it. She’s like, look, see, it’s happening. Yeah, it’s happening. Yeah, woo.
My hand’s just on it, but the ghosts are where they want it. She’s pinching it, right? So A, Tina’s adoptive parents publicly confessed that they had orchestrated the entire event. Oh my God. B, a video camera inadvertently recorded Tina deliberately knocking over a lamp before reacting in mock surprise. C, investigators found a small motor hidden underneath the couch that was used to shake objects. Or D, skeptics scientifically proved that the thrown phone was a lightweight hollow replica. I’m going to go with B, the lamp thing. That she knocked over a lamp. You guys in agreement here? I’m going to… I want the motor to be true, so I’m going to go with C, the motorized couch. Oh, the motor under the couch. Yeah. They had sense around in their living room back in the day. Well, Robert got a
it was B. A video camera inadvertently uh recorded tina deliberately knocking over a lamp just before uh reacting in mock surprise. You got that one. How many is that that’s two yes two so we we got we got two more to go. We are number four. Okay. All right. Years later, Tina Rush, under her adult name, which was totally different for some reason, Christina Boyer, I guess she got married and changed, I guess maybe her full name is Christina. I mean, Christina, I think you can start under Tina. Yeah, Tina, yeah. And then, you know, you get married, you change your last name. It’s not that weird. This is where it takes a weird term. Was convicted in connection with the death of her daughter. What specific legal plea did she enter to accept the conviction while simultaneously maintaining her factual innocence in order to avoid a potential death sentence? That’s hardcore here. Now we’re zooming into…
We’re zooming into the, you know, the murder podcast thing. I know. I was about to say that. Yeah. True crime. Now we’re going to true crime. And, you know, we got it’s all legal, legal up in here. A plea of Nolo Contendra. B, a standard guilty plea with admission of the facts. C, an Alford plea or D, a Magnotten rule plea. I’m going to go with McNaughton rule. I’m going with C, the Alfred plea. Oh, really? But I think it’s A, but I’m going to go with. You think it’s A? A, C, and D. Robert’s just hedging his bets here. You know what? Robert’s going A and D. Let me do B and C so we just cover all the bases. Yeah, let’s put a tenor on A, B, and C. Okay, well, actually. D is my final.
D is your final answer? Okay. And C is the correct answer. I’ll give it to you guys. Half of you got it. I knew that one. The day jobbers here got it. So, wow, that’s good. You got three. This is the last question. Let’s see if we can – well, I guess you’ve made it over the halfway point, so you’re better than 50%. So let’s see if you can push that up a little bit on the last question. A long-standing controversy surrounding the Tina Rush case primarily stems from the direct conflict between which two forms of evidence? Here are your choices. A testimony of the foster parents versus the official police report on the initial disturbances. Parapsychologist William Roll’s documented observations versus the accidental video footage of the lamp being knocked over. See the estimated value of the damaged objects versus the amount of insurance money claimed by the family.
or D, the initial newspaper report versus the later segment on the TV show Unsolved Mysteries. I’m going with D again. I’m going to go with C just because you always got to follow the money, man. Like these things get away with it until money gets involved. And then someone’s like, OK, we like everyone’s willing to believe in a ghost until someone says, yeah, that ghost cost me $50,000. Then someone shows up and is like, OK, we’re going to take a look at this. You can believe in ghosts all you want as long as it doesn’t cost us money. Exactly. But it’s clearly an act of god the pre the the the insurance company doesn’t have to pay out under those circumstances. Yeah. Wouldn’t you say god is paranormal in some way, shape, or form well that’s yeah that’s why it was an act of God. They didn’t have any control over it. oh yeah, we can’t well god wanted this. I’m sorry, uh It was b paris psychologist william rolls documented observations versus the accidental video footage of the lamp game we should have went with that just because we had ordered cover that the lamp was
They brought in a parapsychologist as an expert witness. Yeah, apparently they did. That’s a kangaroo court right there. They might as well have just had the poltergeist come in and testify. I’m assuming we’re going to get into this, but I’m still trying to figure out why were the cops involved? Since when do you call the cops because of a ghost? Because there was a murder, right? Well, no, I think that was later. That was well after the poltergeist. That was the she went into adulthood to be a murderer, apparently. Well, then let me let me tell you about the Tina, a quick few paragraphs about the Tina Rush case. How’s that? Sounds good to me. Got a little mood music. Can you hear me? Okay. Yes, I am. All right. The Tina Rush story, also known as the Columbus poltergeist case,
centered around the 14-year-old Tina Rush, now Christina Boyer, in 1984. Reports emerged from her foster family’s home in Ohio that objects, including plates, lamps, and a telephone, were flying or moving on their own, often with Tina as the apparent focal point. Her foster mother contacted a local journalist, which launched the story into the national media sensation, featuring a controversial photograph that appeared to capture a telephone receiver suspended in midair near the frightened teenagers. Parapsychologist William Rall investigated the case and concluded that the events were genuine, spontaneous psychokinesis. Arrest that man. Arrest that man. Where’s he at these days? We sent him to jail. The case quickly became a battleground between believers and skeptics. Critics, notably magician and investigator James Randi, argued that the phenomena were a hoax perpetrated by Tina, who was described as a troubled and attention-seeking adolescent who had experienced trauma.
I love James Ramsey. He’s the best. Skeptical investigations pointed to anecdotal evidence and questioned the famous photograph’s authenticity, suggesting Tina had simply thrown the phone crucially. It did look like she was throwing that phone. A hidden camera from a visiting television crew once captured footage of Tina deliberately knocking over a lamp and then screaming as if the poltergeist was responsible. This footage led many to dismiss the entire case as a deliberate fabrication. The story took a tragic turn years after the alleged poltergeist activity faded. As an adult going by Christina Boyer, she was arrested and charged in 1982 with the murder of her three-year-old daughter, Amber, who died from a fatal injury while in the care of Boyer’s boyfriend, David Herron. To avoid the death penalty, Boyer accepted an Alford plea in 1994, pleading guilty while maintaining her innocence in the crime.
She was sentenced to life in prison plus 20 years. The complex and often controversial life of Tina Rush, from the poltergeist kid to a convicted murderer, continues to be a subject of true crime investigation and debate, exploring themes of childhood trauma, media manipulation, and the justice system. Wow. That’s a lot to take in there. I blame Nancy Reagan. It’s always safe blame the Reagan. No, because Nancy, so I don’t remember the name of the the reporter she like spearheaded journalism and she, she had herself committed. So that way she could write about what was going on inside of a insane asylum. Oh, insane asylum. Yeah. And then she came out and she wrote that article and Nancy Reagan saw it and said, okay, just shut them all down. So they just shut down most of the state hospitals in the, across the country in asylums and if they hadn’t done that, this woman would have gotten the help she need.
needed when she was a kid. Yeah, she wouldn’t have gone to either murder a child or be start dating a guy who murdered her child. So you’re you’re firmly in the camp of not a poltergeist. Absolutely. I mean, that’s what I’m gonna say is in your telling there. You said, like I said, a hidden camera recorded her knocking over a lamp and then panicking. And I think it just speaks to the state of mankind that your next sentence was leading most you dispell it i’m like most i feel like everybody should have been like oh she’s faking it but the fact is just most and they’re still with a small port but but it could have been a ghost you know we had like a gas leak you know back in the 1980s yeah and there was lead everywhere there’s a lot of weak gas pipes yeah there was a lot of lead lots of things and who knows what
companies were pumping into the ohio river valley yeah that’s true a lot of uh you know a lot of p fats yeah a lot of water environmental pollution going on back then chemical pollution into the waterways. Yeah. Well, but the interesting thing is is that so I’m a little I mean, not that I believe that she had a poltergeist necessarily from the story, at least from the information that we have. But the interesting thing is it really does highlight the exploitation of the media because there’s nothing better. Oh, yeah. Back then, because we don’t you know, we don’t have back then, you know, you didn’t have social media, you didn’t have anything like we have going on right now. And a newspaper person, you know, they want to get
recognized for their work. And so they go in and they hype something up as much as they can. And so maybe, uh, Tina was just, you know, when she got caught with the fakery, maybe something had happened and then she just wanted to perpetuate it because she wanted to stir it on. She was egged on by the reporter in order to get, you know, to keep things going. The, the poltergeist kid became her moniker. I mean, come on. I mean, he doesn’t want to be the poltergeist kid. Was she making money off of it? That’s the question. Was there money in getting being exchanged on some level? They didn’t say that she was making money. I mean, other than potentially the National Enquirer may have paid her to have a story in it. I mean, I definitely do agree with that idea. Whether there was an original incident that caused the whole poltergeist hysteria or whether even that, the original incident could have been disproved. But what
Once the media horse is going, it is very hard to stop. Like, yeah, they might want to keep pushing you because it’s like, yeah, this is news. This is something that’s going to get eyes on your paper or on your news broadcasts and stuff. And then for her and her family, it’s like, yeah, especially, you know, in the day before social media, which, I mean, in my opinion, were better days. But still, before social media and all the ways that it’s easy to get your face out in front of people, like if you can certainly be known because you were, you know, the girl who was being haunted, like that’s a straight access to fame that most people don’t have back in those days. Like back in 84, you can’t just pull out your phone and film yourself for 30 seconds doing something ridiculous and throw it up on TikTok back then, you know. Throwing a phone up in the air and taking a picture. Yeah. I mean, this was also the height of the Poltergeist films because the first one came out in 82. And I think the second one came out in 85. So like, I mean, that was that was that was light.
Those movies were all the rage back then. There’s a whole thing about it. I know you guys. Well, you guys were the former watching it, guys. Now just a few regular guys. But yeah, so the Poltergeist movie was produced by Steven Spielberg, directed by Toby Hooper. But. You know, the scuttlebutt is Steven Spielberg directed Poltergeist. Do you guys know this? Oh, it’s because he was hiding. He didn’t want them to know that he was directing it. Right. Well, no, Toby Hooper apparently kind of wasn’t work wasn’t working out, but he didn’t fire him. He just basically directed the film around him and then still gave him credit. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, hey, I’ll take credit for a very well-known movie that i didn’t have to do anything for. I mean
They still kept me them royalty checks because I’m like, I’m all in on that. I think that they had a strained relationship, but I think they’ve worked it out since then. I was about to say, if Steven Spielberg is listening, if he wants someone to come and sit in a director’s chair while he actually directs a movie, I mean, I’m available. Like I said, he’s a retired podcaster, so I got some free time. It’s kind of like a Stephen King, Richard Bachman scenario going on a little bit, a little bit. Yeah. The interesting thing to me is maybe maybe there was. You know, I like to give us given the benefit of the doubt, let’s say there was an actual initial incident that kind of triggered this. Right. And something happened or maybe more than one thing happened. And then once the press gets involved, it’s kind of a Schrodinger’s cat kind of a situation. Right. And and so then it all kind of gets out of control and everybody just loves the attention.
including the foster parents. And it kind of rolls on from there. So wait, these were her foster parents? Yeah. She was a foster kid in their house. Okay, gotcha. Do we know what happened with her parents? No. Or like, why was she in foster care? situation because obviously she was an unwanted child apparently well yeah well yeah she was unwell. She needed. I mean, I feel like the psychiatric assistance. I would like to know more about what happened with the foster parents and if they were involved, because my thought is, I mean, I don’t know. I feel like, you know, foster kids, you’re getting some money from the government for them. And I feel like you should be able to be like, can we get some more money for taking a haunted child? Maybe that was part of the conversation. The goths walk into the, oh man, what’s it called? Where the children live when they don’t have parents. Orphanage? Orphanage, yeah. Goth kids walk into the orphanage. Y’all got any haunted ones around here? That’s a real rage right now. We’re looking for them.
of them maybe the child of a killer, you know? I don’t want a regular child. Only a haunted one, or possibly anyone one who’s been so traumatized seeing visions and stuff, you know? One of them unique one all the kids are, like, drawing with crayon on the wall, but there’s one that’s, like, just got the pentagram going and chanting like that’s that’s our kid. That’s our one right there. Got any Manson family children available? That’s a request right there. Looking for lineage to the Manson family. Anyone? No, that’s interesting. But I do think that there is a possibility. Obviously, we brought up James Randi. James Randi is a famous debunker, and there’s a great document. He’s passed away. Great document. Oh, I was about to ask, is he still with us? Yeah, he passed away. Last time I saw him, yeah.
But there’s a great documentary if you look up James Randi on wherever. Look him up. You’ll see the documentary, which is a fantastic documentary. One of the best tricks that James Randi ever did was he lived the life as a gay man and never told anybody. Yeah. What? Oh, yeah. Now I get what you’re saying. He had a really upsettingly young boyfriend. that was yes an illegal alien or something. Yeah, exactly. That’s part of the documentary. But, but he was, you know, he was gay at a time when you couldn’t be gay and out and so forth and lived his life that way and never really even, I don’t think, came forward. um I lived to be 92. i i heard you’re, you’re being weird there, Bob, at first. I understand that because when you said he lived his greatest criminals he lived as a gay man. What I thought you were saying is
He pretended to be gay as a trick for decades. And then in his 50s, he’s like, oh yeah, by the way, I’m not gay. This was all just an illusion. That would be an interesting twist on it these days. I don’t know if it’s a worth it trick, but I guess it’s interesting. He was an extremely popular debunker back in the 70s and 80s. Extremely popular. And he would go on all kinds of shows back then. debunk all these people, right? And I guess evidently tina was one of them. That he took upon the uh mantle of debunking. Because he used to have it and this was back even in the 70s, a million dollars if you could prove uh yeah any of this any of this real yeah yeah telekinesis yeah bring it bring it into a controlled scientific environment yeah you know this is.
but all you had to do was fool him. You didn’t even have to fool everybody. You just had to fool him and get the million dollars and nobody ever did. So he had put it into, it was like a lottery thing where he put it into a trust and it, you know yeah it would pay out over time. Right. So, but anyway, uh, very interesting that he’s linked into this story, which the funny thing is, especially as soon as i read it, uh, you guys jumped in and said, you know, Oh, this is all fake because James Randi’s involved. So he was such a good debunker that even his mere mention of his name being involved in anything threw it right into the not ever possible scenario. Just talking about debunkers because whenever I think about debunking and stuff, I always just remember this investigative journal piece where it was with a psychic and the journalist brings a photo of a boy and they’re like, can you tell us what happened to this boy?
And it’s like, oh, yeah, I could. Oh, he died a tragic death. It’s very sad. And like, oh, he did. Like, yeah. And then like they’re meeting like a cafe and then they walk up the cafe and I have the boy walk. I’m like, hey, I’m that boy. She’s like, oh, are you? It’s just like she’s just like so adamant, like, oh, well, very young age. And then he’s like, oh, by the way, I’m the boy. It’s just like, oh, well, a miracle. You’re alive. I was thinking of you in a past life. you look the same. I was thinking of your past self. Yes, exactly. Psychics are always so crazy to me because it’s just like, what are you doing? Like, if you really had this power, you would just be rich. You would go find the nazi gold that’s hidden somewhere by talking to the spirit of the nazi that hit it. Or you would guess the lottery numbers every week or whatever. Like, you would just i mean have all the money like you don’t need to get the crystal ball and the light show going on.
I’ve always said psychics, they’re either terrible people if they really have the power, or like you said, they’re bad at their job. Because I’m just like, if you’re a psychic, I’ll believe you in a heartbeat if you call me and you’re like, hey, by the way, don’t go outside today. I’ll believe in you then. But if I got to call you to get the advice, I’m like, you should already know. And if you do already know that something bad is going to happen to me and you’re just like, well, he didn’t call. So I’m not going to tell him. Well, then you’re a jerk. Because I’m like, you know, you’re like, I don’t know. I was going to get hit by a car today, but he hasn’t called me yet. So I guess that’s just on him. I’m like, well, screw you then. The interesting thing is, you’re right. And I always when I talk about these, the weird thing is I’m on the fence. So I believe in some of this stuff and don’t believe in.
a lot of it, but there is some of it that I think is really true now. Um, but the, all the, the, one of the lines of demarcation is money. If anyone is asking you for money or money is involved in any way, chances are it’s not true. Yeah. Because as soon as you, you bring money into any of these scenarios, then it’s all about the money and not about what’s happening. I mean, Phil’s got to eat too, man. But apparently they can eat without money. Is there a ghost currency? Is that where the Bitcoin goes whenever you don’t see it? Yeah, that’s where Bitcoin really goes to is the ghosts. These nuclear reactors don’t fuel themselves. But I think that that’s always the line of demarcation is anytime there’s money involved, then it all goes out the window.
Because interestingly enough, now, have you guys, either one of you guys ever had an experience that you would call paranormal in any way, shape or form? Yes. But I’m pretty sure it’s just hallucinations and things like that. No, just so we want to talk about it. So I grew up in a house that when I was living in it 40 years ago was 100 years old already. And it used to be 140 years old. Me and my brother shared what? think you would call like a day room that was in the back that used to be a doctor’s office creepy so people definitely died yeah but they were getting somewhere with this, like this is back i mean, this is, you know, 140 years ago, this is before they really had like hospitals that you went to really like the town doctor, about 50 of them just died. Yeah. The town doctor just, he had just an office in his house and you just went over there i don’t know what i’m doing wrong.
I guess maybe I’ll start washing my hands. Yeah. Maybe, maybe after I take a crap, I should wash my hands before I stick my finger in their wounds. Okay. Well, no, but I used to see like weird, like light shadows and things that look like some kind of spirit or something like down the hall and the, you know, in the, in the bedroom at night, but it’s, you know, I’m sure it was lead paint and a gas leak or something when I was, when I was nine years old. Yeah, the closest, and this isn’t, I would never claim this is paranormal, this is just jet lag, but if I said the closest I’ve ever gotten to, I’d say anything, was after, when I was a kid, after flying to St. Louis to visit some family, I was in my aunt’s living room, and she had, like, just a whole bunch of dolls, because she’s just that person. And I was sitting on the couch, and I was definitely dozing in and out of sleep, but at one point, I just saw, like, all the dolls just turned and looked at me,
and they they got like a little bit closer. But once again, I’m like, that was just jet lag and an overactive child imagination. I mean, they, they never did it again. So if they wore, they, they decided they were gonna you know, the spiritual, like, ah, let’s not mess with this one. because you know, I’ve been back to my aunt’s house and they never thought to she still has all those dolls well not anymore, but she did for, you know, like a couple different trips. You didn’t see et in there, did you? no no no no that’s weird well so i actually have had several experiences that would i cannot explain. That would not be jet lag, would not be. And these are as an adult, not as a child so yeah um yeah so that’s why i kind of um i i don’t know about Tina. You’re right. I think that tina was probably disturbed um in your assessment there from our short information that we had.
But there are things that have happened that are very weird, and so that fuels my, you know, kind of interest in some of these things. I’ll give you, like, there’s definitely weird and curious things. Like, I’ve always said I don’t believe in, like, things like psychics or mental connections like that, but I will say there’s something weird about identical twins. Like, they just have weird bonds that don’t make sense. Or, like, there’s even, like, the stories of, like, two twins that were separated at birth, and, like, when they… Like, are found later living, like, almost identical lives. And I’m like, yeah, there’s, like, once again i i don’t i don’t believe in, like, pure, like, mental links or psychic stuff, but, like, there is something going on there it’s just like but do we know how true are those stories? Because we read about them, yeah we don’t have any fact check going on it’s like it’s like oh there’s two identical twins separated at birth. They both ended up named Bob, and they both married women named tina and they all had two kids named kevin and whatever.
It’s just like, yeah, but that could all just be made up. Whatever’s an uncommon name, I think of that. But no, it could all just be made up. It could, it could. Actually, now I want to look into one of those and see if there’s any. Do you guys know any identical twins? Yes, I dated one, a twin, just the one. Are you sure you didn’t date both of them? No, no, no. I met both of them, but I only dated one of them. Those twins will do that sometime. I dated the cool one. switch out but no they they they talked about having, like, weird being able to communicate, you know, without talking and stuff like it but they wasn’t like they were hearing each other’s thoughts. They just were so tuned in and so close that they, you know, just had that unspoken language to be able to convey thoughts and ideas. And that’s the reason you’re not dating them anymore i’ve always i’ve always thought i didn’t go twins like you know it’s just like i if i was writing, like, a true or like a a
crime novel or something. I could have identical twins as the killer, but basically just based off with their identical DNA and the fact that they look the same, you can’t 100% prove which one did the killing. As long as you have a reasonable doubt, and you would always have a reasonable doubt because you can’t, like, yeah, they left DNA at the scene. Can you prove whose DNA? We saw them both into a movie theater together. one of them got up and left, went, killed somebody, came back and you proved which one it was. They were wearing the exact same outfit they were doing all the so it’s just like, I’ve always just like like that i i mean it sounds messed up to say like you think that’s why there’s no identical twin serial killers or is there? I don’t know. Yeah, maybe there are. They just don’t get caught. There was there was a case of uh twins that like there was a murder and they had the DNA, but they couldn’t prove which of the guys it was. Yeah.
So they shouldn’t convict the prestige. Yep. Yep. Now being a twins, can we sidebar on another kind of weird story? I just, I just learned this a couple of days ago, but I was, we, I was having a conversation with someone and we were talking and they were, they were talking about how many kids were in their family. There was someone there that would have like 16 kids in their family. Another person at eight. So I wanted to look up, okay, what’s the most kids like a woman ever had in her lifetime. And in 1725, There was a woman that was born in Russia named Valentina Vasileva. I’m probably butchering that. Who had, during her life, had 69 children. Yeah. This is crazy. That number doesn’t mean anything. Yeah, that’s funny. That’s funny. You ask yourself, well, that seems rough and hard. And let me tell you how much more rough it is. So she only gave birth 27 times. Oh, they’re all twins. 16 pairs of twins.
Seven sets of triplets and four sets of quadruplets. She was part of some kind of Russian Olympics thing. That’s the most fertile woman that ever existed. I mean, I’m looking at some of the photos. She had this long, forelong face of like, this woman’s seen something. She’s been through it. I would say if it was me, after the first the fifth set of twins, I’d be like, I’m out. I’m done. You know what happened? The press got involved. They’re like, the lady with the most twins. I’ve always, and I mean, just my luck, because in my family, I mean, not that these things really run through families, but it’s just a weird coincidence that, so my dad is a twin, and then my, not my, so not my grandfather, but my grandfather’s dad
is also a twin and so they’ve always said twins run in our family and they skip a generation uh so i’m set up to i’m part of the generation that should be twins but that’s the thing is so me and my two cousins none of us have kids yet i think it’s all because we’re waiting for one of the other ones to have kids and get the twins out of the way so we don’t end up being the one because it’s only one it’s only one person in the generation who has the two twins so three of us And we’re just all like, somebody needs to get this over with. Well, you didn’t know. They’re like, there’s a trust fund that we’ve been putting money into for the first kids that have the twins. Maybe. But they’re not telling you. I’ve always had a very hard stance. Not a hard stance. I’m just like, well, kind of hard stance because I would get something done. Like I was always like, when it comes to kids and it’s fluctuated, but it was like two or three. That’s if I’m going to have kids, two or three. And the only way I’ve always had, the only way I end up at four
is if we get to two and I don’t have a son, I might try for one more. And if we have twins, then, then that’s how we get to four, but then we’re done. Like it’s over. I’m not rolling the dice. I don’t care if there are four girls, I’m not rolling the dice anymore. I don’t need any more of my lineage coming out. So I, I’m getting something done. There’s no more kids are coming out of this equation. So, and I’m just like, no, I do foster care, foster care. We just, once they get to where they can crawl you just go and take them out to the woods and just there you go you know go be wild go figure it out i was bringing it back to ghosts and stuff you’re talking about how the haunted look on that lady’s face you know why that probably is because she was probably dead when that picture was taken because back in the 1700s and 1800s if you ever look at like old black and white photos and you’re like wow that the old person looks just haunted and like staring into space it’s like
They would do family photos after they died because his photography was so rare and expensive that you would only get one picture done. So it’s just like, oh, grandpa just died. Let’s prop him up in a chair and I’ll stand around the dead body while we take this photograph. Dress up people. Get closer. Get closer. I’d hate to be there like, hey, you come sit on grandpa’s leg. Do I have to? I don’t want to sit on the dead man’s leg, okay? That’s just a personal preference. Hold on a second, guys. I’m going to play a little message and then we’re going to wrap things up. All right. This is Jonathan. And this is Heaven from the OpaGhost podcast. And you’re listening to Mondo Freako. Toodles. Mondo Freako. Mondo Freako.
Mondo Frico. And I mouthed all that. See that? I know. You do the different voices and everything. It’s crazy. Yeah, look at that. Mondo Frico. Mondo Frico. So it sounds like, I mean, from early on, poltergeist thing out the window. This is just an excuse to be in the paper, get noticed. Poor Tina. Yeah. Not got a chance that this actually really happened is what you guys think. Yeah, correct. I mean, you asked in the quiz at the beginning, like, oh, was it the parents just messing with her? I’m like, and you’re saying like, well, maybe there was an incident that happened before and then it started. Then they decided to start faking things. There’s no reason that can’t all be true. That the parents, the foster parents might have just messed with her one time and she just ran with it. Yeah. I mean, that’s the thing is the story is all told about her and stuff, but I still…
would like to know, I mean, I’m not accusing them because we don’t have evidence either, but I’m like, I want to know what the foster parent, like, what did they have a hand in it? Were they a part of the part of like getting her in front of the media? Like that sort of stuff. because I could very, like I said, especially back in the day before it was so easy to get yourself out in front of people that I could easily see, you know, not trying to put that. My mom was a foster parent. So I’m not saying they’re all messed up, but I could easily see being a foster parent and being like, man, it’d be great if we could, you know, get some more money or be more known and be like, well, we can abuse this situation and, you know, let’s make Tina seem crazy and haunted. And, oh, now look, now the cameras are here and people are paying attention to us. And it’s just like, like I said, I’m not accusing them because like I said, also, maybe they’re completely innocent because we don’t have the proof. I’m just saying I could easily see it either way. And I find it hard to believe that a 14-year-old girl on her own would think up a scheme of being haunted to get famous. Nope.
and stuff oh that sounds exactly what a 14 year old girl would come up with. I guess i could see them coming up with it, but most 14 year olds also like when things start getting get like the press sort of, things are gonna have like you you lose your nerve real quick like oh i may have a bigger hole than i can even if i believed in, like, the ghost and poltergeist and and all that all that jazz and i would still be skeptical, especially since this came out, again, at the height of the poltergeist movie craze yeah Like, if this came out and, like, if this incident had happened in, like, you know, 1978 or something like that, I mean, I’d still be like, this is dumb, but it would make more sense. Yeah, if it was more during the bikini car wash phase, I would be a little bit less skeptical. Like, this almost sounds like it was viral marketing for the Poltergeist movie, is what this situation was. Well, I think, obviously, it had to be of some note because, as we mentioned, James Randi got involved, and he wasn’t necessarily…
I mean, he, he didn’t just go where the wind blew, he usually was there to disprove things that everybody else seemed to think that was, was real, like Kreskin and, and Yuri Geller, and all these famous people that were, you know, claiming their psychic abilities, he would show up and be like, Yeah, not so fast, buddy. I gotta I mean, and this is, you know, hindsight, you know, and stuff. We’re talking about this in the uh in the in the in the future after all this has happened and all that sort of stuff, but still, I gotta say, and robert just pulled it up again, that the photo of her, the, the phone photo, the alleged, you know, big phone photo that to me is like, really, you didn’t think that looked like it really, to me. And like i said, once again, this is me with my hindsight eyes. So maybe that’s part of the, you know, I have a bias, but to me, it really looks like, no, she do like, I just feel like she threw the phone.
Like the photo doesn’t look like if she was sitting there and the phone was like, like hovering next to her head, but it seems like lean back at an angle and it looked, and the phone looks like it’s moving away from her words. Like she, she, she threw the phone and they snapped the photo. I don’t know. It just doesn’t that, that their, their photo, like I said, does not, is not convincing. But once again, it could be because I have hindsight eyes and I’m, I’m biased because I already know how the story played out and stuff, but, um so it keeps me from seeing it objectively. I can admit that maybe that could be partly what’s going on and it is i’m looking at it as well. I should bring it up on the screen, but i i don’t want to mess everything up. If I do that, I’ll probably. Yeah. Well, so i also i thought it was funny that the foster parents names were joan and John. But interestingly enough, they fostered 250 kids throughout their life, which is just. And this is the only one that had a poltergeist apparently. Yeah. Yeah.
No, I mean, who knows? Maybe that’s why they foster so many kids. They’re trying to find another haunted kid. They’re like, we got one. How many dead children are buried in their basement? That place may actually be haunted. Yeah, that would be interesting, wouldn’t it? Well, I think we can conclusively say from all of our opinions that Tina Vash was not the poltergeist kid. And the poor lady gets no credit for anything other than murdering her daughter. Yeah, she gets some credit for murdering her daughter. Yeah, I want to know more about that yeah yeah because it really sounds to me like the boyfriend did the murder Yeah, and i’m like, oh, you got away with it. Because didn’t the kid, they’d specifically say that the kid died as a result of an injury while with while in his care, yeah. So is the boyfriend, like, are they both in jail, or it was it just her? Because, like, if they’re both in jail, I could see questions
See it as maybe. Yeah, like I said, we’re taking this from a mystery and supernatural podcast into the true crime podcast now. We’re pivoting now. Yeah, we’re pivoting to true crime here. Let’s see what it says here. Conviction and imprisonment. She changed her name to Boyer, which they don’t really ever explain. Even though her boyfriend’s name was David Heron. Maybe she was… It was on Unsolved Mysteries segment in 1993. The Alfred plea. I’m doing some quick research here. It doesn’t really say. Cruelty to children. It doesn’t say what happened. I don’t know. I’m reading about this. Amber was the daughter that died. She had a penchant for jumping out of moving cars. I don’t think this was a murder situation. I think this kid was just
hurt herself. Yeah. Tuck and roll, Amber! I mean A sad story all around. We got it very very very sad but i mean could that i mean, I’m just saying that because i mean i see she’s not she’s not guilty what if she’s not what if her alfred plea was legit? Like, she knew yeah so it says, what happened to david Heron? Who was David harris He was the boyfriend. Unfortunately, he had a violent streak she later mentioned and she was abused physically, mentally, and sexually by her husband. Well, this got unfun. Did he go to jail? I’m just saying. There’s a picture of him going to jail. I haven’t gotten that far, but it looks like he went to jail maybe for something else.
it doesn’t uh it doesn’t uh it doesn’t uh no no i see here david yeah 20 no no i see here david yeah 20 no no i see here david yeah 20 years why do we 20 years but years why do we 20 years but years why do we 20 years but he’s got not guilty for the murder he’s got not guilty for the murder he’s got not guilty for the murder 20 years in prison we got out in 2011. yeah 20 years in prison we got out in 2011. yeah 20 years in prison we got out in 2011. yeah so yeah if you’re if he hears this so yeah if you’re if he hears this so yeah if you’re if he hears this uh by the way he’ll know uh by the way he’ll know uh by the way he’ll know no i live in scranton pennsylvania no i live in scranton pennsylvania no i live in scranton pennsylvania that’s that’s that’s true yeah true yeah true yeah i work for a paper company i work for a paper company
Yeah. My office is right next to oscars or whatever. Yeah. Oscar was one of the characters on that show yeah yeah but yeah dark turn. Yeah. I feel like we’ve really gotten away from when was the last time that they had any kind of supernatural thing on the news or the television? Really? Like, I think we’ve moved past oh yeah i don’t think that whole like oh you can move things with my mind and stuff like that was a very, like, 70s, 80s, 90s thing, and then it’s fallen off in the new century. I think with a lot of the, like I said, it’s kind of everybody, and especially now that we have AI even more so, we’ve developed more and more tools where even if, let’s say, that supernatural stuff was legit, it’s so easy with the tools we’ve made, it’s so easy to fake now. It’s one of those things like, okay, well, if one person is fake, we all just assume that
all of it’s fake now. So I’m not saying i do believe or don’t believe. I believe more or don’t believe. But still, I’m not saying i do or don’t believe. But I will say because you can find five million videos online of people with, oh, a ghost or, oh, this is floating. And you can also find, you know, how-to tutorials on how to do those videos yourself or how to use ai to make it look like, you know, you’re moving stuff with your mind. So it’s just, it’s so hard that if someone does cut, thank you thank you uh if someone does come along and so like, look, I have psychic powers i’m gonna be like, oh, no, that’s just some clever video editing or that’s just some, you know, behind the scenes tricks or there’s, you know, like said magicians, a bunch of magicians have shown us how people could do cold reads and stuff to appear to be psychics or they’ve shown us how people can do stuff to make it look like they’re moving stuff for their minds. So I’m just like.
Yeah, exactly. But yeah, so i’m just like, I think that’s why it’s died down is this is right it’s too hard. Even if you did have, like i said, I feel sorry if you are legitly a psychic today. Like if there was literally someone who was a psychic and he’s like, no, look at this. I can move this with my mind. Everybody like, no, no, that’s just some strings, man. And it’s like, no, I’m doing it with my mind. No strings. Like, sure you are, buddy. Sure you are. Like, I just feel like if you legitly had powers you would have the hardest time in the world convincing people because it’s just everyone would be like, right, right. No, I’ve seen this before. He’s using the camera and there’s a guy back there. I know how it’s done. Everybody’s a know-it-all too. So they’d be like, no, I know how it’s done. I know, I’ve seen a video of this. I know how it’s done. And I think you’re right. I think that basically people kind of like this case with Tina have taken something that was, that may or may not have happened and then start attributing it to themselves. Like they’re causing it, right?
but that doesn’t ever really happen. I mean, you, you’re right. There isn’t any convincing evidence to say that people can do that and they cannot do it with any kind of regularity or effectiveness that isn’t, uh, typically, you know, found out to be some type of a trick like bending spoons or, or any of that kind of stuff. Or even if you’re predicting something, because it’s just like you, Everybody can throw it, like the kid or whatever. Oh, the kid died, you know, whatever. You mentioned earlier. Yeah. Anybody can make a prediction, and it may hit. You just never know. It could be random, right? And things generally people don’t bring up, you know, the kid to have an ice cream down the block waiting for you to screw up. That’s not the prediction. They always want to know about dead people or this or that or whatever. But I don’t think that that totally precludes the weirdness
of things that happen in everyday life that aren’t attributable to people, that just happen and you just happened upon them or happen to be in the area when they take place. And I’m also a big proponent on it doesn’t have to happen at night. Things can happen at any time during the day in any place and you just happen to be fortunate enough to be there when it does. And it’s not you. It’s just you happen to be there. And so those are the kind of things that I find interesting. Unfortunately, this isn’t one of them. There have been some other ones that have happened. Next time, Bob. Next time. Bring us the real deal. I actually have, and you guys are privy to this ahead of time, but I actually have constructed a database that randomly feeds me these things.
Is it AI powered? No, it is not. I pulled a bunch of data down in different categories and I click a button and it randomizes, draws from that data and randomizes and gives me a topic. And then basically I look at the topic and I think about who’s going to be on with me. And I say, oh, this might be good for these guys to talk about or whoever. And that’s why we got Tina Roche today. Nice, nice. Now you should create a separate database that randomizes your guest. And then it just says, we’re going to do this story with these guests. Make email sent. Everybody is not always available. That’s always the hard part. So I have to see who’s available. But thanks, guys, for being on. It’s been a pleasure. I will quote you as nonbelievers. And you think all it is is AI these days. But Tina was popular back in 84.
And then she got popular again after she murdered her child. So all’s well that ends well. But maybe not for Tina’s child. That’s a weird note to end on. Well, I mean, as crazy as she was, maybe she got off that train before. As crazy as she was, she’ll come out and she’ll be a TikTok sensation once she gets out of jail. But you guys hang on for just a second. We’re going to close it out, and we’ll see everybody else next time. Rico!

Falkville Metal Man, a UFO story involving a police chief named Jeff Greenhaw who encountered a mysterious metallic figure in 1973. Joseph shares his book collection, including a recent short story titled “Is E.T. Really Here?” which is based on a dream and explores the concept of extraterrestrial life. As they delve deeper into the Falkville incident, they discuss the nature of the Metal Man’s suit and the aftermath of the encounter, which led to ridicule and the eventual resignation of Greenhaw.

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hey Joseph, how are you doing today? Hanging in there, you know, like i always say, could be better, could be worse, right? Yeah, no kidding. Have you ever heard of the thing called the foxville metal Man? No, is that anything like the moth man that’s a good that’s a good tangent Welcome everybody to Mondo Frico. My guest today is Oh, Bill. all things they go fuck yourself a little bit. It could be actually uh in regards to the story, not to give too much away, but yeah, one person really did got themselves uh falked uh in falkville but uh we’ll talk a little bit more about that but first joseph uh what’s going on with you? Is that a new website joseph m leonard.us
No, I’ve had it for a while. That’s my author site that my publisher put up since 2022. I just generally don’t go with it a whole lot. You know, most books are sold through Amazon, so you just generally refer people there. There you go. Well, tell people… a couple of the books that you’ve written, because i know you’ve got a few out there, and it seems like every time i turn around, you write another book. I don’t know how this happens. Yeah, I, uh, well, let me hold them up here a recent one is a short story, A Lasting Legacy. That’s the soft cover. That’s the hardcover. You know me. I like to do things differently. Yeah, I figured, you know, there’s a few people that like hardcover. It don’t cost me extra to have it available. So, you know, and this is the book of Kennedy, Project Carpe Diem. This is the hardcover version of this. I don’t have the softcover copy. And of course, you remember,
terror strikes coming soon to a city. That was there. That’s the full short story. Yeah. A short story and the book Kennedy are both novelettes. Terror strikes is a full novel. And of course I have podcasting quick start guide, uh, how to write a book and get it published for those either looking to publish or to If you’re an avid reader, just want to know what goes on behind the scenes of creating a book, hey, how to write a book and get it published is for you. Oh, there’s the book of Kennedy. Kindle copy, pretty plain-looking version. And we’re not talking about Kennedy the VJ from MTV days, are we? No. Nor are we talking RFK, JFK, or, right, or. or Jackie Onassis. None of the Kennedy clan. Kennedy is a female lead, which happens to be called Kennedy. And here’s Christitutionalist Politics 3 of 4. There’s four of those actually out now in the Christitutionalist Politics series, which
is in conjunction with my Christitutionalist podcast and my absolute latest book. I don’t have a book, just have the printout. That’s the thinnest book I’ve ever seen. It’s the only page. That’s the Kindle cover. It’s only available as a Kindle e-book exclusive for 99 cents. It is Is E.T. Really Here? A Really Short Story. And that’s what brings you here. Right, exactly. Is E.T. really here? Wow. Obviously, the cover is just a page, but how in-depth do you go into this E.T. business in that book? Not a lot. Not a lot. I just wanted a food for thought kind of thing. It’s written weirdly. Yeah. for the right and you know i say because you’re doing your sleep or something only a breakfast uh well it is like most of my books based on a dream i had. So, yeah. I didn’t know that your books were all dream based that’s is that the name of your publishing company, Dream Based Publishing? It should be, but no. Joseph M. Leonard Media. Yeah, unimaginative. It should be uh
thought-provoking publishing. There you go. Yeah, I just had a a weird dream. I was back in school doing a naked because everybody always has no i was clothed. And so was the professor. I was doing a thesis on ETs. Are they really here? So it’s a really, really short story. It’s told in a weird way of a student in school doing a thesis paper, and they put their outline on the computer. They come in the next day it’s vanished where did it go why did somebody turn the power off on him why did it go away why is he being censored? And that’s the premise to start into the very short Weirdly told tale. Exactly. A little conspiracy stuff in there, too. So, again, just, you know, something short to try to get people thinking about these things. It’s just a theory. Don’t panic. It’s not a real conspiracy. Well, that’s great. Well, actually, Joseph, we’re going to – we’ll talk more about this ET business in just a minute. Well, that’s really good.
weirdly Written, which is also a short story. A Lasting Legacy is written in journal entry style, so that’s very different. The Book of Kennedy, Project Carpe Diem, written in all narrative, not one line of dialogue in it, which are all very different writing styles from my traditional Terror Strikes novel. Did you get an A in your class that you were taking for all that? That was all your homework. Well, I don’t get to it. Yeah, I don’t get to that part. But I think we’re going to find out a little bit more about your knowledge of some E.T. business when we take this quiz. Quiz. Quiz. Quiz. I want you to email me that so I can make it my new download. My new ringtone, right? Oh, ringtone. You like that quiz? Yeah. Quiz. Manipulate it. Put it through AI and turn quiz into call. Call. There you go. So this is all… And Joseph…
opted to not hear the story before taking the quiz, which I think is fantastic. It’s very brave. But obviously, he’s a very brave guy. He’s got so many books out. So this is all about the Falkville Metal Man, which is a UFO story that came out a while back. I’m not going to say when because it could be one of the quiz questions. So these quiz questions start out easy. They get harder as we go along. And let’s just see how you do. So the first question is, Who was the police chief who claimed to have encountered and photographed the Falkville Metal Man? I’ll give you some choices so you don’t have to just make up a name. I was going to go with John Doe, so good. Multiple choice will be helpful. All these are multiple choice. The first one is, so think about Falkville Metal Man and the police chief’s name. Was it Dale Henderson? Was it Jeff Greenhaw? Was it?
Robert L. Taylor, which is funny because you’re Joseph M. Leonard, or was it Captain Shiny Pants McSparkle? Well, that last one sounds like a lot of fun, but Greenhaw sounds like a backwoods place kind of name, so let’s go with that. Jeff Greenhaw is going to be your answer. Yeah. All right. Fantastic. That’s correct. Whoa. Joseph ran out of the gate, right? Out of the gate. Woo. All right, we’re done. I’m going to quit while I’m ahead. Well, we still got four more questions to go. So what common household camera… Now, this is not necessarily your phone, you know what I’m saying? So this goes back a little bit. What common household camera was used to take the four famous photographs of the Falkville Metal Man? Was it A, a Nikon SLR,
B, a Polaroid, C, a potato connected to a pinhole, or D, a disposable 35-millimeter camera? Well, somewhere around here and probably in the attic, I still have an Olympus 35-millimeter camera. Way expensive for back in the day when I first got it. Really nice. Nikon’s well-known, but I’m going to go with Polaroid. Polaroid. Let’s see. It’s two for two. Can you believe it? Oh, my goodness. Hey, folks, this isn’t rigged. You don’t know anything. You’ve never even heard of the Falkville Metal Man. No, this isn’t rigged. He didn’t share the questions or the answers ahead. No, it’s not a quiz show kind of a scenario. Right. You know, like in the 60s where they were rigged. Jack Barry or whoever his name was. So, all right. Now, they get a little bit harder, although I thought that first one was pretty hard considering, you know, you had to know the guy’s name, but.
Let’s get a little bit harder. What specific material did the police chief Greenhaw say the creature’s reflective suit resembled? Because he’s called the Falkville Metal Man. So A, highly polished chrome. B, aluminum foil. C, mercury on nickel. Or D, a tightly wrapped leftover lasagna. Now I’m hungry. Thanks. Yeah. I’m going to have to go to Olive Garden for a lasagna after this. But what immediately popped in my head when you asked the question was aluminum foils to go with tinfoil hats. So let’s go with aluminum foil. Aluminum foil? Let’s see. I’m so sorry. Your first one wrong. But they were a little bit harder. Actually, he described it as mercury on nickel. So I guess it had some kind of fluid nature to the suit, I guess. So he was a T-1. Exactly, yeah. He was like the Terminator, the T-1000, right? T-1000, that’s what I meant, yes. So, all right, next question. What eventually happened to Jeff Greenhaw’s role as police chief shortly after the incident and resulted in media scrutiny?
All right, here’s the choices. A, he was promoted to sheriff. B, he was transferred to a larger department. C, he resigned from his post. Or D, he was assigned full-time duty guarding the town’s decorative garden gnome. My first thought was that he got elected mayor, but I’ll say he got promoted to sheriff. Promoted to sheriff? Yes. if you’re doing so good on the other ones. It’s a little harder here. He resigned from his post. He was so ridiculed, I think, that he resigned from his post. All right. So we’re two for two. This is the deciding factor. Last question. All right. Are you ready? I guess you are. You didn’t say anything. Thumbs up. Thumbs up. Oh, I didn’t see that. I’m sorry. All right. So the only alleged physical evidence of the encounter, the original four photographs, which we talked before about taking on the Polaroid. Leftover fluids. Leftover bodily fluids. Dr. Strangelove here. Was reportedly lost or stolen after the event. According to Greenhaugh,
Where were they taken from? So his four photographs that he took. The men in black got it. Well, were they taken from the Falkville Police Department’s evidence locker? From his home? From a laboratory in Birmingham where they were being analyzed? Or from inside a freshly baked apple pie? I’ll go with hopefully he was smart enough to send it out to a lab. So let’s go with the lab. the lab. It was in his house. I was that was that was second, right? Yes, because I was thinking Roswell and what his name can’t think of his name that took some of the materials home. Oh, right. Yeah, the I can’t like, but yeah, the guy who went to pick up all the went to check out the debris field. Yeah. Jesse
Jesse Marcel. There we go. Very good. Wait, wait a minute. Hold on. Where’s the applause? Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Jesse Marcel. Well, let me tell you a little bit. So you opted to do it. Jesse Marcel, not Marcel Marceau. Not Marcel, yeah. He didn’t make it to Roswell. He stopped in Paris. The French mime, yeah. On the streets of Paris. He mimed the crash, but no sound effects or anything. But let me read the Legend of the Falkville Metal Man description for you because we did the quiz and you did great. I mean, you got two out of five considering you knew nothing. I’d say that’s pretty darn good. Yeah, well, laws of odds and statistics and a multiple choice. You should at least get like one of five and two of five is still pretty statistically, you know,
On accident, as I did, on accident, getting 205 right. But, I mean, you know, I got to give you a little bit of credit. So let me read a little story here about the Falkville Metal Man to you here. So the story of the Falkville Metal Man is a prominent and bizarre piece of Alabama’s UFO cryptid and UFO lore. Originating from a strange event in 1973, on the evening of October 17th, a young chief of police, Jeff Greenhaw, in the small town of Falkville, I better turn my music down a little bit. In the small town of Falkville, responded to an anonymous report of a UFO that supposedly landed in a nearby field. Expecting to find nothing, Greenhaw instead encountered a figure on the rural road. He described the being as slightly over six feet tall,
wearing a highly reflective metallic suit that appeared smooth and bright like mercury on nickel. This creature, later dubbed the Metal Man, moved with an unnaturally fast, almost spring-like motion, maybe like the T-1000. So Green Hod managed to snap four black and white flash photos of the metallic entity using a Polaroid camera before it fled. When he attempted to pursue the creature in his patrol car across the field, the figure exhibited superhuman speed running away faster than the vehicle could follow before vanishing into the darkness. The officer’s description of the being was highly detailed, noting the suit’s lack of visible seams and the earthly quality of its material. While Greenhalgh’s account and photographs quickly attracted the attention of ufologists and the national media, they also brought him intense ridicule and controversy in his community.
The aftermath of the encounter was devastating for the police chief. The public speculation, mockery, and questions of his credibility led to Greenhaw’s eventual resignation from his post, essentially derailing his life and career. The photographic evidence, the only physical proof of the encounter, was itself subject to controversy. Years later, Greenhaw reported the original Polaroid pictures had been stolen from his home, adding another layer of mystery to the case, and leaving the story of the Falkville Metal Man as one of the most intriguing and unresolved incidents in southern paranormal history, an enduring tale of a lawman’s brief, bewildering brush with the unknown. So this does go back to almost around the Mothman and the Three Rivers Bridge time, yeah. I think that was like 69 or 67. Something at which…
Great movie, by the way. Mothman Prophecies. Yes, great movie. I’m going to have to watch that. I’ve got that on DVD. I’ll have to watch it later tonight. You want to pull it down off your shelf like all the books? No, I’m just joking. Laura Linney’s in that as well. A young Laura Linney is in the Mothman Prophecies. Yeah, and my other favorite is my sister calls it Alien movie, although M. Night Shyamalan. signs, Mel Gibson, right? M. Night Shyamalan says it’s not really an alien movie. An alien only shows in it like three seconds on the screen. And then at the end, but it’s a movie about a man who’s dealing with the loss of his faith. Yeah, grief and questioning one’s faith and position in life and what does life mean and
Matter. I do signs. I love them i watched that again a few weeks ago, but my sister said, you know, sister watched it finally that yeah. Alien movie. No, you missed the whole point of the film. Exactly. Yeah. It was dealing with grief and dealing with the family yeah in the in the uh face of grief. Right. So everything kind of falls apart. Right. So, But on the Falkville Metal Man, so basically this sheriff, you know, was doing his job, and he goes on this call, right? This regular police call. Somebody says, hey, something’s going on. You better go check it out. He goes to check it out. All this happens, and he loses his career. I mean, that’s pretty spectacular, don’t you think? Yeah, it’s pretty harsh. I mean…
although I don’t know anything about this town though, so I don’t know how, yeah, obviously not very open-minded town, or could be very overly religious, you know, kind of backwoods, hyper-Christian town, which I go into a little degree in, is E.T. really here? Genesis does not say, and God created life on earth and only earth life created he. It doesn’t say that. Exclusion does not mean preclusion. The Nephilim are mentioned. Humanoid but non-human entities that existed on earth. Angels alone. in the story of creation, sitting at the right and left hands of God, existed before Earth, before terra firma. By definition, then, they are extraterrestrial. No? Right? Now, that’s different than little green men from Mars, both spiritual and physical, but So I’m not saying they’re like reptilians or greys. I’m not saying that. But I am saying God doesn’t owe you the explanation of everything. And if he created life elsewhere, he didn’t tell you, get over it. He doesn’t owe you the explanations. Do you think, just from that little brief synopsis, that the metal man…
could be something from someplace else? What are your thoughts on that? Well, it could be. And again, now, there’s potential of interstellar beings. There’s the potential of interdimensional beings like People got upset with Indiana Jones was at five and the glass to crystal skulls. I loved it. I thought it was a natural progression of archaeology and the archaeological finds happened to be interdimensional things from other interdimensional beings. And I invented the term intertiminal creatures, right? For time travel. Speculation that It’s really us from the future that are intertiminal travelers. And intertiminal, to me, makes more sense. It goes with interstellar and interdimensional, where time traveler doesn’t, you know, it’s kind of out of sorts with the other terms. Yeah, it doesn’t follow suit, does it?
Correct. There, there’s the phrase doesn’t follow suit. It’s kind of a non sequitur. It’s like, you know, one of these is not like the other. So, but the, the interesting thing is the way that it was described in the story is that he, he finds it and it looks like this. Uh, he said mercury on nickel suit that had no seams. It had no POC, obviously no pockets. Probably. I didn’t have a wallet to drop. The metal man didn’t drop his wallet, so he can check that out. And then it ran at incredible speed, beating his police cruiser, I’m assuming off-road. So obviously the police cruiser probably couldn’t go more than 35 miles an hour on rugged terrain or something like that. But still, running faster than 35 miles an hour is not,
humanly possible as far as I know. Unless if it’s Tom Cruise making a new Mission Impossible 37, right? Well, but he, they do a lot of editing, I think. He doesn’t go very far on those kind of things. Even Usain Bolt doesn’t generally run that fast. Right. And so, I mean, it just sounds, it sounds so wild. But then the other thing I love about the story is it calls into question authorities. Right. So here he is. He is the police chief of this little town called Falkville, Alabama. And he, you know, he’s going about his business and he encounters this. And he obviously was so convinced that what he was looking at was not of this earth or at least of this. Again, it could have been it could be from the future intertidal traveler. And maybe in the future.
our bodies get to the point where we can reach better speeds. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, that does kind of me lean it more towards interdimensional or interstellar possible being. And again, you know, I’m not saying, Oh, I believe it out of hand, nor do I dismiss it out of hand. I believe again, exclusion does not mean preclusion in the Bible. It’s, It’s possible. So anything is possible is what you’re saying. Yep. I wasn’t there, and I don’t have a time machine, so I can’t be an intertimental being and go back to 1973 Alabama and see for myself. Exactly. But to me, it’s one of those stories that is not very well known. Obviously, I mean, you probably never heard of it until today, my guess is.
No, I had not. And you have an authority figure, even for 1973, you know, an authority figure who says, you know, this thing did things, this metal man did stuff that was not normal and reacted not normally. And then he had his pictures and they were taken out of his home. I’m assuming… that he wasn’t like the forgetful police chief and lost things all the time. And so he misplaced these four pictures in his house and then his kids will find them here in the next few years. Oh, look at these pictures. They’re tucked in with Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben in our photo album, right? He was using them for bookmarks in his Joseph M. Leonard book. Which would be difficult. He would have had to have been entertainment all to come to 2022 when that first one was internationally published. Yeah. So, but it really is one of those stories that I happened upon and I’m like, wow, this is fascinating because it has a certain amount of credibility and I’m not, you know, I’m not going to, you know, we just talked, you talked earlier about, you know, who knows what the town was like, but, uh,
I think he is a person of responsibility in this town, small town. And, and he says he saw this and essentially it ended his career. He was so convinced of what he, you know, he could have easily said, ah, you know, I was just Josh and reelect me and move on. He was so convinced that he, he did not want to, uh, say otherwise. And it cost him, what I would assume, even back in the day, a fairly good job, right? And that’s saying something because he could have rode that job for the rest of his career and retired quite nicely, but he didn’t. He said, no, no, this happened and I’m gonna go down with the ship. So yeah, so a very interesting thing. So in your book and in this situation,
Would you say anything’s possible? So I’m assuming you’re saying that you think that extraterrestrials are in the mix. Well, they’re in the realm of possibilities. Again, the Bible says the methylene, and, you know… I don’t have the sin of hubris where I think God owes me all the answers and explanations. Maybe when Jesus returns and we get a Third Testament, we get more answers. But for now, it’s entirely a possibility. From the religious standpoint, I don’t dismiss it, and the scientific standpoint, standpoint we are space travelers to a degree ourselves already space right everything everything becomes a vehicle at some level right so i mean ufos go back to biblical times you look at enoch you look at ezekiel that some christian sect
and denominations leave out of their Bibles because it’s inconvenient and difficult to explain other than, whoa, that could be that. You look at the Leonardo da Vinci and other early Christian paintings. Well, what is that up there? Is that a UFO or is that supposed spiritual representation of angels only? You know, Back to old cave. Paintings? Paintings and hieroglyphs and whatnot. I mean, are we, I forget what that term is, ped something or another word. You look up in the sky. Oh, look, a bunny. Oh, look at. Thank you. Peridolia, yeah. Where the mind tries to make sense in turning a shape into something we know. Are we seeing what we might prefer to see or think we see? But that’s really something else. But when you look at some of these cave hieroglyphics or imageries, it’s the Nazca lines. I mean, that you see from the air.
Right? Yeah, you can only see it from the air. Exactly. But yet nothing like… Why did they make that? Yes, exactly. I mean, it’s just amazing. And one of the Nazca lines, again, looks like a spaceman. Right, a spaceman, exactly. As well as animals, which is kind of interesting. I mean, you know, you could have had like a really powerful, politically powerful, overly anxious bloke bird enthusiast who’s like, I want to make pictures for the birds. But I doubt it. I mean, it seems a little bit out of the realm. Birds don’t even fly high enough, though, to make out those things, right? Some of them, yeah. Exactly. Right. Vimanas. What is that? Hinduism? Right. The Vimana. So these things have and concepts have been around for a long, long time.
to think again. I think it’s a degree of the sin of hubris again for a lot of people, religious or not, to say, oh, we are the most advanced thing to ever exist. We are it. We are alone. We are, you know, we’re the greatest thing since sliced bread. That to me, that, you know, humanity is so great and look at our advancements. Compared to what those things might be indeed, it’s them just not wanting to admit there can be something bigger than us. It’s like atheists and God, right? Just refuse to admit there can be something other than them and bigger than them and more important than them. It’s interesting. Now, the other thing that strikes me is that As far as I know, and I’d have to do some more research, obviously, but this is the only person who has witnessed what we’ll call the metal man. There’s not like Ben, like you have all kinds of people. Unlike Mothman. Yeah, or Mothman. I mean, take any of those, you know, the tall aliens. Bigfoot, Sasquatch even, right? I mean, there’s…
multiple sightings so you’re you’re right what you’re alluding to here, it does add a degree of suspicion. How and why is he the only one to ever see this? Maybe, maybe he’s like, wait, I, you know, he, he, he gets here from, from either a different time or a different place and he’s wearing a suit. And then he realized, Hey, wait a minute. I don’t even need this suit. And then he passed it along up the, up the, uh, you know, the intergalactic chain but don’t worry you don’t need your suit here. maybe that’s what happened. And so that, you know, he was the first one. So therefore, you know, he happened to land in Falkville, Alabama. Yeah. And he’s like, yeah, guess what? We don’t need suits down here. Hey, we, we test tech all the time. We’re updating and testing different suits for this that the other. Maybe it was a one-off experimental and they went with another option. Yeah, he was in the the darpa of of
aliens right so he’s a DARPA alien and would make, you know, I don’t know if I have to look on the map, see where Falkville is, but you know, there’s a lot of governmental you know, Rocket City is in Alabama right so where all they built all the rockets was in Alabama and still do actually is in I want to say Huntsville, right? So Huntsville is Rocket City USA. And so, Yeah, it makes sense. He might show up there because that’s where the rockets come from. And there’s a lot of secret programs that are developed in that area because there’s a high concentration of extremely smart people in that area because they’re all engineers and so forth. And they’re creating things that we won’t know about for decades. That’s the other argument, right? Around Area 51, people who saw the B-1s.
People saw the F-117 stealth fighters originally thinking they were the SR-71. Nothing could go that fast. It’s got to be alien, right? But so could he have mistaken this? Could it have been a human in a downed experimental craft? And again, under orders of secrecy, then needing to get away, not want that to get out. if he’s indeed truly saying he could run faster than 35 miles an hour, that tends to poo poo. It was just us and secret craft on a secret mission. It gets wild, but yeah, I would say the, the Falkville middleman is quite an interesting story. And, uh, And thank you, Joseph, for going through it with me. I’m going to play a couple of messages. We’re going to come back to you for a closing statement. Just a sec. This is Jonathan. And this is Heaven from the OpaGhost podcast. And you’re listening to Mondo Frico. What in the bloody hell is Mondo Frico? And why would I listen to it? So wrapping up here, Joseph, I think you summed it up well. Yeah, I did.
You need to change the name of the show for today from Mondo free code or duo, two free codes. You know how my OCD brain works, so I can’t resist. I loved your answer. Cause it’s one of those answers that I love to give when people ask me the questions is anything is possible and you said it, right? So it doesn’t matter. What your base is, right? So be your base, be religious, be your base, be something scientific, be your base, whatever, right? Just streetwise, everything is possible because we can’t know everything and we aren’t owed anything to know it. We aren’t owed by our creator answers that our creator doesn’t want us to have. We are but children. what God is. I say this all the time and Christians get upset with me. The Bible is a Dr. Seuss book. You don’t hand a six-year-old war and peace. You give them Dr. Seuss or Aesop’s Sable. Remember back where we were 2000 and before when the Torah was given. We were but children. So no, we’re not given all the answers. And again, it’s hubris, right, to expect that
Science, it drives me crazy. Oh, the science is settled. No, talk to Copernicus or Leonardo da Vinci about settled science of the time. And we don’t know what we don’t know yet. And we haven’t proven just what we may not have been able to prove yet. Doesn’t mean it’s not possible. Einstein says inner time and all travel. is theoretically possible. Interstellar faster than light speed is theoretically possible. Wormhole travel, theoretically possible. One of my favorite movies and my favorite tv series of all time, Stargate sg1 Love that show with all the potential implications right yeah definitely exactly every you’re only right at the moment that you’re right, and then you can be wrong. Anything past that, anything going into the future, you can be wrong again. The earth is flat! The earth is flat! How long did that? And still today, in fact, on Christitutionalist Podcast, I had on Flat Earth Dave. Oh, did you? Yeah. You’ve got to see the video version of that episode, of course, because he shows…
things and that, and they all had a great time, great discussion with him. And it was like, I have some answers that would counter what you’re selling, but Hey, you know, you’re here for fun. You’re here to present your case. I’m not here to poopoo your case. Let’s just let people decide for themselves. Right. Like how, like how can you get on a plane in California and land up in Tokyo? If, The world is flat and California is over there and Tokyo is over here. You fly under the disc. Haven’t you ever played Pac-Man? You just disappear on one side of the screen and appear on the other side. Right. That’s the only explanation. A wormhole there, right? You go through a wormhole off the edge of one side of the flat earth and
materialize on the other side. Yeah. It works for Pac-Man. So, hey, again, anything is possible but no i i accept that earl worth is round now. Now, donut theory is another, right? You know, journey to the center of the earth i don’t buy that the earth is completely hollow Certainly there are packets of hollow things under there, caves we know of today that go deep into the earth. Yeah, I live in an area of the United States here down near St. Louis where you have mine subsidence insurance because there’s so many holes in the ground that your house can fall in one. Another great movie, right? We’re talking hollow earth. The other is… The moon isn’t really a moon. It’s an artificial right. Hollow moon theory and the space program. We dropped objects. And what did they say? It rang like a bell for hours. A solid object. Don’t do that. And Roland Emmerich, one of my favorite directors, who was the mind behind Stargate, also is the mind and director producer behind Moonlight.
moon fall which came out during the wuhan hysteria so right yes i was going to say that was not that long ago, but yeah, you know, it, it suffered because of the wuhan hysteria, but it’s another great, really wild over the top kind of film. You know, I’m not, I don’t know if he believes in hollow moon theory or not. It doesn’t just like those tickets. Right. Just like it’s the day after tomorrow. He was behind that. Is he a climate artist and think you know, instead of global warming, he went the other way to back to the ice. Right? He doesn’t necessarily said was going to happen but right he doesn’t have to believe these things to understand. They make a great bleeping movie exactly
Well, Joseph, tell us the name of your book again, the E.T. book. What’s that? Yeah. Is E.T. really here? You can see the SETI program dishes there. Is E.T. really here? A really short story. Again, that’s just a paper copy of the Kindle cover version that exists. 99 cents only at Amazon exclusively. There you go. Because it is really short. It’s a Black Friday sale. There you go, 99 cents. I would have sold it for even less, but Amazon won’t let me. 99 cents is the bottom floor price. You thought Amazon couldn’t go any lower? Well, they can’t. It’s all 99 cents. Amazon’s going to become the new 99-cent store, I think. Getting closer to being the $99 store. Well, Joseph, thanks for being with me here today.
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