Gemma and Phoebe are joined by author, editor, trend forecaster, and all-around mastermind Emily Segal to discuss the unholy self sacrifice of celebrity, why The Kardashians is less successful than its predecessor, the secret lives of the Kardashian sisters, ANXIETY, which sister Phoebe wants to sleep with most, and Bethenny Frankel’s brilliantly addicting TikTok.

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Gemma and Phoebe discuss Kathy Hilton’s conga line to hell, Kardashian numerology, surrogacy and abortion, the explosive finale of the Bachelorette, and the presence of absence.

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Gemma and Phoebe talk about European vacations, what gives in friendship, why this season of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills is NOT boring, Kathy’s tequila, Kim's SKKY, the trope of the “make up,” the world of the public image, and touch on the confusing finale of The Bachelorette.

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Gemma and Phoebe are joined by @YAgamben and @CNoumena of DECODE podcast (@Decode_cast) to discuss post-post-modernism, sincerity, Plato's ethics, used cOndoms, and the camera-as-character in Nathan Fielder's The Rehearsal, a television show about actors.

Read "Attention, Reality, and Sincerity" by @CNoumena  —> https://cutenoumena.substack.com/p/attention-reality-and-sincerity

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Gemma and Phoebe are joined by Molly Lambert (creator of Heidiworld: The Heidi Fleiss Story, streaming everywhere you find your podcasts) to discuss everything from the “violence of desire” to what to do with racism on TV, Charlie “Chaz” Sheen, the narrative identity of the LAPD, and Cardi B.

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Gemma and Phoebe are joined by New Yorker staff writer Naomi Fry to discuss motherhood, Judaism, Kyle Richards, what it means to be an outsider, feeling comforted by recognition, the pleasure of reality television crossovers, and false feminism.

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Gemma and Phoebe dissect the second season of Peacock’s Ultimate Girls Trip, focussing on the various elements of haunting (at Bluestone Manor and beyond), how the Housewives franchise could perhaps be characterized as a man, the exacting-yet-subtle humor which makes a perfect housewife, and touch upon how Kim’s SKIMS has moved beyond skin. 

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Gemma and Phoebe return to talk about why recapping is the most boring version of discussing reality television, the drama of misspeaking on the current season of Beverly Hills, and the focus on professionalization and sisterly differentiation on season one of The Kardashians.

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Gemma and Phoebe discuss the first five episodes of Hulu’s The Kardashians and the first episode of Season 12 of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, touching on performed suffering, the creation of the individual, and how doubles are cringe.

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Gemma and Phoebe discuss NeNe Leakes suing Bravo, the dreaded-yet-dreamy Selling Sunset Reunion, the anti-future of Vanderpump Rules, and, of course, G-Flip.

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