In which I first talk criticism, the plagiarism machine, trying to make a living in the arts, the inanity of excessively identity-politicked bios, and nod to Brian Brett, who died this week and who I will pay homage to the next episode. Then I intro Donna, how we met, her books and we have a lively repartee for the next 45 minutes on her poems, of which she reads two, after we get through a recitation of two old pieces that we had published together long ago, and before we talk the moon, other species, the sonnet, humour, poetic development and the need for reviews and better communication in the small world of Canpo :) Enjoy!