Joy did the heavy lifting and watched the Hulu interview with Diane Sawyer on the Turpin children and where they are now. Cheryl as always, asks the right questions and has the perfect comments.

Cheryl brings us more crazy ways to die and Joy decides to stick to hot coffee only!

Joy watched the documentary Becoming and shares all the stuff she learned about Michelle Obama and tries really hard to convince Cheryl to watch it too . . . . . and so should you!

Cheryl does some heavy lifting and educates Joy on two very sad cases of women of color that died mysteriously, was it murder or something else? The educating of Joy is not that hard to do.

Do you have a phobia? Find out about our phobias and how to work on getting over a phobia from your two podcast queens, Cheryl and Joy!

Cheryl educates Joy on the case of Andrea Yates and explores the fact that Andrea Yates was in a controlling and cultish environment and struggling with depression . . . . . . if you or someone you know is involved in a cult, we want to ask you some questions!

Joy digs deeper into Jodi Hildebrandt - what makes a psychologist go off the rails and use her training to hurt instead of heal . . . while Cheryl lets Joy talk as much as she wants.

Cheryl has once again done her research - she breaks down the case of the brutal murder of Ahmaud Arbery - and the question is asked, what is going on with Roddy's bangs?

Cheryl and Joy bring back a yearly favorite with a whole new list of pet peeves - what will it be this time, cold food samples at Costco or toilet paper rolls put on backwards?

Cheryl kicks off a new season and new year with the murders of Rob Reiner and Michelle Singer Reiner and also the murder of Melodee Buzzard - while Joy is just trying to learn how to make sourdough bread!