Amy shares some exciting news with Don that the upcoming Relational Summit will include Drs. Judith Jordan, Amy Banks, Connie Gunderson, and Harriet Schwartz. The conversation this week also includes what it takes to be authentic and be safe, and how the central relational paradox keeps us from revealing our full selves.

Join Amy, Don, and the Bloomington Center for Connection on September 19-22 for the second annual Relational Summit—"Learning Together"—hosted here in Bloomington, Indiana. For more details, follow the Bloomington Center for Connection on Facebook and other social media platforms.

Buy tickets for the Relational Summit on EventBrite for September 19-22, 2019. Day passes are now available.

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This week, Amy and Don talk about the importance of defining racism as a systemic problem, and how people of color may perceive a racist situation differently than more privileged allies. They also discuss the ongoing trauma arising from the death of Indiana University graduate student Won-Joon Yoon 20 years ago at the hands of a white supremacist.

For more information on the murder of Won-Joon Yoon in 1999, read "‘No Hate Speech. No Hate Crimes. Not in Our Town. Not Anywhere.’" by Abby Malala of the Indiana Daily Student.

Join Amy, Don, and the Bloomington Center for Connection on September 19-22 for the second annual Relational Summit—"Learning Together"—hosted here in Bloomington, Indiana. For more details, follow the Bloomington Center for Connection on Facebook and other social media platforms.

Buy tickets for the Relational Summit on EventBrite for September 19-22, 2019.

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Don and Amy are joined this week by Rev. Mary Ann Macklin, senior minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Bloomington, Indiana. They discuss being faced with a decision to stay in the fight or walk away, and explore different ways to engage injustice.

Join Amy, Don, and the Bloomington Center for Connection on September 19-22 for the second annual Relational Summit—"Learning Together"—hosted here in Bloomington, Indiana. For more details, follow the Bloomington Center for Connection on Facebook and other social media platforms.

Buy tickets for the Relational Summit on EventBrite for September 19-22, 2019.

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Responding to a listener question, Don and Amy talk more about fear and trauma. The friends also discuss the validity of different ways to confront white supremacy and the importance of allowing space for growth when someone disagrees.

Join Amy, Don, and the Bloomington Center for Connection on September 19-22 for the second annual Relational Summit—"Learning Together"—hosted here in Bloomington, Indiana. For more details, follow the Bloomington Center for Connection on Facebook and other social media platforms.

Buy tickets for the Relational Summit on EventBrite for September 19-22, 2019.

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With the local farmers market slated to re-open this weekend, Don and Amy talk about attending, safety, and the experience of living and succeeding as a Black man in southern Indiana, acknowledging that emotional labor.

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Don and Amy revisit a comment from the previous episode about qualifying someone's racist language by saying they have a "good heart." In the process, the two friends explore differences in reactions to police and listen to Princeton University professor Eddie Glaude's recent appearance on an MSNBC panel following a weekend of racist rhetoric and mass shootings.

For the full MSNBC clip: https://on.msnbc.com/2TjNjS4

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In their debut as podcasters, Don Griffin, Jr. and Amy Makice, LCSW talk about the presence of white supremacists in the local farmers market and the decision to close the market for two weeks. As longtime friends with different experiences growing up in southern Indiana, Don and Amy lean into their mutual connection to have difficult conversations about racism.

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