There’s a strange tension in songwriting.
You sit down to create something honest… but somewhere along the way, the outcome sneaks in.
Will this be good? Will people like it? Will it stream? Will it define me?
In this episode, Nat and Mat talk about the subtle attachment artists develop to results — and how that attachment can quietly suffocate creativity.
We explore:
• Writing from pressure vs writing from presence • The fear of releasing imperfect work • Identity wrapped up in a song’s success • How letting go of outcome can actually make better art
This isn’t about pretending outcomes don’t matter.
It’s about noticing when they start driving the process.
If you’re a songwriter, producer, or creative of any kind — this conversation might feel uncomfortably familiar.
Make the song. Tell the truth. Then let it go.
— Nat & Mat

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.

In this episode of Nat & Mat, we unpack something deceptively simple — acceptance.
What does it actually mean to surrender? Is surrender weakness… or intelligence? And why does fighting time feel like swimming upstream?
We explore how resistance creates suffering, how control is often an illusion, and what shifts when we stop trying to bend reality to our will. From personal stories to philosophical detours, this conversation moves through presence, ego, patience, and the strange freedom that comes when you stop arguing with life.
This one feels calm… but it cuts deep.
If you’ve ever felt frustrated with how things are unfolding — this episode might land exactly where it needs to.
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Listen. Reflect. Let go (a little).

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.

In Season 2, Episode 3 of Nat & Mat, we ask one of the most overused — and misunderstood — questions of all time:
What is love?
Is it chemistry? Attachment? Devotion? Projection? A biological trick? A spiritual force? Or something we only recognise once it’s gone?
Nat & Mat dive deep into the layers of romance, ego, expectation, heartbreak, and the uncomfortable truths we don’t like to admit about connection. This isn’t a fluffy conversation about roses and fairy tales — it’s an honest, strange, and sometimes hilarious exploration of what actually drives us toward each other… and away.
As always, expect sharp turns, unexpected humour, uncomfortable questions, and a few moments that might make you rethink your own story.
If love is the most powerful force in our lives… why does it confuse us so much?
🎧 Listen now on Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube, Spreaker and everywhere you get your podcasts.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.

In this episode of the Nat and Mat Podcast, things start off serious… and immediately unravel.
Nat and Mat tumble through heatwaves, dusty festivals, childhood games, hippie chaos, fear spirals, and that strange moment when taking life too seriously turns into unintentional comedy. Somewhere between paranoia and play, they realise that fear often collapses the moment you look at it properly — or laugh at it hard enough.
This is a conversation about exaggerating fear until it becomes absurd, playing games like they actually matter (and then realising they don’t), and why the most serious people often end up being the funniest — usually by accident.
There’s no self-help here. No tidy conclusions. Just curiosity, contradiction, and the quiet realisation that loosening your grip on reality might actually make it clearer.
Weird? Yes. Pointless? Possibly. Useful? Annoyingly so.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.

We’re back — and it’s 2026.
In this episode of the Nat and Mat Podcast, Nat and Mat ease into the new year with an open, honest conversation about where things are at — creatively, personally, and collectively.
From reflections on music and the creative process, to the strange feeling of time speeding up, to the quiet pressure we all feel to “have it together,” this episode is less about answers and more about noticing what’s actually happening right now.
It’s a relaxed, thoughtful check-in — part conversation, part reflection — touching on creativity, uncertainty, growth, and what it means to keep showing up as a human being in an increasingly noisy world.
If you’re entering the year feeling curious, unsettled, hopeful, or somewhere in between, this one’s for you.
🎧 New episodes of the Nat and Mat Podcast explore music, life, creativity, philosophy, and the beautifully messy experience of being human.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.

In this special Christmas episode of the Nat & Mat Podcast, the conversation drifts into shamanic ideas, ancient ritual, and what Christmas may have once represented beyond the modern rush, noise, and consumerism.
Nat and Mat explore themes of symbolism, tradition, altered states, community, and the quieter inner meaning of seasonal rituals — while keeping things grounded, curious, and lightly humorous. It’s not about belief systems or dogma, but about noticing how ancient ways of marking time, reflection, and connection still echo through modern life.
As always, the discussion wanders — touching on spirituality, human nature, presence, and how we might reconnect with meaning during a time that’s often anything but peaceful.
This episode is for anyone who:

• Feels Christmas has become a bit… loud
• Is curious about ancient or shamanic perspectives
• Enjoys reflective conversation without preaching
• Or simply wants a slower, more thoughtful take on the season

Pour a drink, take a breath, and join Nat and Mat for a relaxed, end-of-year conversation about Christmas, consciousness, and what might still be worth keeping from the old ways.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.

In this episode of the Nat & Mat Podcast, the conversation turns toward peace — what it is, why we want it so badly, and why chasing it can sometimes push it further away.
Nat and Mat explore ideas around presence, letting go, inner stillness, emotional resistance, and the strange human habit of over-complicating what might actually be very simple. Along the way, they reflect on everyday life, personal experiences, and the subtle difference between seeking peace and allowing it.
As always, the discussion moves freely between the philosophical and the practical, with moments of humour, honesty, and gentle insight.
This episode is for anyone who’s:

• Tired of striving
• Curious about presence and awareness
• Interested in inner peace without dogma
• Or just enjoys thoughtful conversation that doesn’t pretend to have all the answers

Settle in, breathe out, and join Nat and Mat for a grounded, meandering conversation about peace — and what might already be closer than we think.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.

In this episode, Nat and Mat fall headfirst into the mysteries of ancient civilisations — from the secrets of the Egyptian pyramids to the curious case of Tutankhamun, and whether human consciousness was once far more advanced than it is today.
Along the way they detour (as always) into alien technology, reincarnation theories, unusual bird behaviour, consciousness experiments, and why modern humans may not actually be the smartest versions of ourselves.
It’s a blend of history, speculation, humour, and the kind of philosophical spirals that only Nat and Mat can produce.
If you love:

• Ancient Egypt
• Alien theories
• Consciousness chats
• Mystical rabbit holes
• Or just two people laughing their way through big questions

…this episode is absolutely your vibe.
Grab a cuppa, settle in, and join us as we try to answer the biggest questions in history — and accidentally create a few more.

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.

In this episode of The Nat & Mat Podcast, we dive head-first into a scatter-gun flow of ideas — from UFOs and government disclosure to the strange patterns behind secrecy, belief, and why the world might not be ready for the truth.
Nat and Mat unpack the deeper questions behind extraterrestrial sightings, hidden tech, human psychology, and the subtle ways society reacts to the unknown. Mixed in with the cosmic conversation, we explore creativity, music-making, and the personal philosophies that shape how we see reality.
It’s curious, playful, grounded, and just the right amount of mysterious — a classic Nat & Mat ride.
If you love open-minded conversations that wander from the everyday to the extraordinary, you’ll feel right at home.

🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q
🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.

In this week’s Nat & Mat Session, we dive into the origins of our new track “Scatter Gun” — a song shaped by messy ideas, sudden inspiration, and a brand-new drum kit that completely changed the vibe of the studio.
Nat and Mat unpack the creative process behind the song, the way ideas sometimes shoot off in every direction, and how embracing chaos can actually lead to clarity. We talk workflow, instincts, overthinking, underthinking, and all the beautifully human stuff that happens before the music finally clicks into place.
If you love hearing the real behind-the-scenes of independent music making — raw conversations, unexpected tangents, and genuine creative discovery — this episode is for you.

🎵 Listen to Iris Belhaze on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=5AhmFyfBSbKXtI1meT4n9Q
🎵 Listen to Mat Creedon on Spotify: 👉 https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=f9Q4MjPmRFutjBBXfM6jXw

Thanks for wandering through the cosmic confusion with us. If you’d like to hear what Nat and Mat sound like when they’re actually trying, listen to their music:
🎶 Iris Belhaze — mysterious, emotional, indie magic: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4nRV37P5mZCDvH0WnB6zlM?si=FkB2ZkjyRU-xP3_FuFAywg
🎶 Mat Creedon — sonic wizard, bowl banger, occasional philosopher: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0I59ZpA9ngsaNrPOCT1Ct1?si=Xtiz0sSrSDG432F-ntLrqA
New episodes weekly. No guarantees of sanity.