On episode 241, we welcome Natalia Kholodenko to discuss the psychological impact of trauma, how the citizens in war-torn countries respond to trauma, Natalia's own trauma when fleeing from Ukraine after Russia began its bombing campaign, the importance of maintaining a strong value system in the face of tragedy, Judith Herman on the importance of reintegrating one back into a community when healing, Viktor Frankl and how meaning can be lost but aids in trauma recovery, and the influence of one's mind on their well-being and future.

Natalia (Nataliia) Kholodenko is a Ukrainian psychologist, media personality, and bestselling author whose work has empowered millions—especially women—navigating the trauma of war. She holds a PhD in Philosophy & Psychology, gained prominence hosting TV shows and leading mental‑health marathons across Ukraine, and has built an online community of over a million followers seeking support and resilience. A refugee herself, she now travels internationally—recently collaborating (and singing "I Will Survive") with Gloria Gaynor—to draw global attention to healing psychological wounds. Her upcoming book, The Cost of Quiet, continues her mission to transform pain into strength.

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