It's been five years since Anne Hollonds stepped into the role of Australia's National Children's Commissioner in the fog of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Five years on, the world is a little more stable. But with the childcare sector in crisis and a looming social media ban for under-16-year-olds, the safety and protection of children hasn't strayed far from the headlines.

• Guest: Anne Hollonds, National Children's Commissioner
• Producer: Grace Stranger