In this episode of Alec Mapa: Hot Mess with Matthew Dempsey Psychotherapist, Alec has an uncensored conversation with his husband of 20 years, Jamie Hebert. Jamie tells Alec how his messiness and disorganization make him crazy and Alec shares with Jamie how he can be controlling and a cold fish. Alec and Jamie talk about how they handle conflict and Jamie opens up about the maddest he ever got at Alec during their relationship. The two then share why after 14 years of monogamy, they made the decision to open up their relationship. They explore both the freedom and the hurt it has caused and discuss how having clear rules and a couple’s therapist has been essential to making it work for them.

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