In this conversation, William Vanderbloemen interviews Daniel Im about his new book, The Discipleship Opportunity. They discuss the challenges of leading a church in a post-everything world and the need to focus on the interested non-Christians and interested Christians. Daniel shares insights from his research on the church growth movement and emphasizes the importance of loving our neighbors and showing unity among believers. He also provides practical advice for pastors, including challenging and disrupting consumeristic attitudes and trusting the Holy Spirit to work in the lives of the uninterested.

The conversation explores the importance of reaching interested non-Christians and the need to shift the focus from consumers to those who genuinely want to be part of the church. It emphasizes the power of storytelling and addressing the spiritual, emotional, and psychological needs of people. The conversation also touches on the changing landscape of preaching and the need to create tension and curiosity in sermons. The key takeaway is to stop letting consumers hold the church hostage and instead focus on faithfully sharing the truth of the gospel.