In this conversation, Dr. Rhonda Glover-Reese and Bill Borden discuss the current state of law enforcement, particularly focusing on the FBI and the impact of recent executive orders on civil servants. They explore the threats posed to law enforcement and communities, the politicization of civil service, and the role of Inspectors General. The discussion highlights the challenges faced by agents in the FBI, the political dynamics within law enforcement organizations, and the implications of new policies affecting marginalized groups. The conversation delves into the complexities of civil rights, particularly in the context of prisons and employment protections. It highlights the dangers of revoking protections and the chaos created by executive orders. The discussion also addresses the misunderstanding of DEI programs and the implications of labeling communities as sanctuary cities. The speakers emphasize the importance of advocacy and community safety, while also warning against the rise of vigilantism and the need for continued dialogue and action to hold leaders accountable.