Naylor's Natter

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In this weeks natter , Kathryn is in conversation with Jonny on leadership and how it is vital at times like this.

Podcast Pedagogy

Music- 'Mixing Colours' - Roger Eno and Brian Eno

Books- 'A Clergyman's Daughter' by George Orwell

Streaming Services- 'Sunderland 'till I die' and The Body Coach

Next week

Sir David Carter 

Stay in and stay safe everyone . Massive thank you to all educators, continuing to safeguard, provide and care for our pupils! #proudtoteach 

www.naylorsnatter.co.uk

*******This week's interview was recorded some weeks ago so please bear that in mind when listening*******

This week I am in conversation with Daisy Christodoulou . Daisy is  the Director of Education at No More Marking, a provider of online Comparative Judgement software for schools. Comparative Judgement is an innovative, reliable and quick way to assess essays. You can find out more about how it works on the No More Marking website.

Before joining No More Marking, Daisy was Head of Assessment at Ark Schools, a group of academy schools in the UK, and before that, I was a secondary English teacher in London.

Daisy has  written three books about education, Seven Myths about Education, Making Good Progress, and Teachers vs Tech. Find out more about them here.

You can read more about Daisy in this profile from Schools Week and this one from the Guardian. You can contact Daisy via Twitter @daisychristo.

We discuss:

We  also talk about comparative judgement and VAR

Podcast pedagogy

Books:

We have a contribution from listener Natalie 

TDT Section 

Films:

In lockdown, we are now looking at streamed movies . This week it is the Amazon streamed 'Blinded by the Light' 

Music:

I will be reviewing Dreamland by Alexis Ffrench . A much needed oasis of calm in a desert of uncertainty.

We will be continuing with the podcast during these difficult and turbulent times. Stay safe out there listeners , we appreciate you being here!

This week Teacher Development Trust CEO David Weston interviews Tom Bennett on behaviour, his work with the DfE on behaviour hubs, creating a culture and the mighty ResearchEd movement .

Tom Bennett is the founder of researchED, a grass-roots organisation that raises research literacy in education. Since 2013 researchED has visited three continents and six countries, attracting thousands of followers. In 2015 he became the UK government’s school ‘Behaviour Czar’, advising on behaviour policy. He has written four books about teacher training, and in 2015 he was long listed as one of the world’s top teachers in the GEMS Global Teacher Prize. In the same year he made the Huffington Post’s ‘Top Ten Global Bloggers’ list. His online resources have been viewed over 1,200,000 times.

Podcast Pedagogy

Books -Teaching Walkthru's by Tom Sherrington and Oliver Caviglioli 

Films- Onward by Disney

Music- Dummy by Portishead 

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This weeks I am in conversation with Omar Akbar; Teacher, Author- The Unofficial Teacher's Manual: What they don't teach you in training; Bad School Leadership (and what to do about it) .  We are nattering about  school leadership, the good and the bad! This is a very positive podcast with some great takeaways.

The natter

From the introduction of the book , tell us a little bit about you and your 15 years teaching across 4 schools?

  You say this book is about the mismanagement of the system , what do you mean by this and what can we do about this ? 

 You kick off the book with relationship building and Rick astley ....tell us how important relationships, empathy and communication are for leaders

 Observations can be controversial but also useful , what are your www and Ebi here ? 

 Learning walks , deception walks and urine tests . How can we ensure visits to lessons are beneficial for all ?

 Book scrutiny and deep dives , what is a secret dossier and how can leaders be more transparent? 

 Behaviour - when in doubt blame the teacher for not engaging the learners . Is this common and how do we support teachers with behaviour so they are empowered and not undermined ? 

 Meetings - what is a Botox meeting ?  

 How do we support NQTs so they end up like the one on that recruitment advert

How important are unions and why should we stand by our unions ?   

How does shift happen ? What can we do to achieve a new normal ?

Let’s finish as you do with some myth busting! Share a couple with listeners ?   Where can we find out more ? 

Useful links 

https://theunofficialteachersmanual.blog/

John Catt sponsorship 

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The IntegratED programme aims to reduce preventable school exclusions and improve the quality of alternative provision (AP) for pupils being educated outside of mainstream schools.

Our work is broadly divided into two areas:

The social change we want to see eventually is a reduction in the number of children excluded from schools, an increase in early remedial interventions for pupils who require them, and a greater focus on whole-child development across the school system.

If AP is the best place for a child, we want to ensure they are given high-quality provision that helps them achieve their full potential.

In all cases we wish to see young people graduate from secondary level to a positive tertiary destination, with sufficient skills, values, aptitudes, and capabilities to enable them to contribute to the common good.

We are not saying that all exclusion should be stopped. We are saying:

The natter 

Firstly tell us about your career to this point and how you moved from schools week to slaying dragons!   What is integratED and which organisations are part of this coalition?   Tell us about your work for integratED and your vision for fewer exclusions and better alternative provision   The unexplained pupil exits from school published in October from the education policy institute is an important read , could you take listeners through the report and it’s key recommendations (policy, guidance etc)   The AP census is incredibly opaque as you state in the integratED blog , what constitutes AP? Why is there such huge disparity in different LAs ?   You recommend that the government should publish alongside its exclusion rates , a combined figure that accounts for all AP , tell listeners why this is important.  Is a managed move to AP better than a perm ex ?   How can we improve education for children removed from mainstream?   You are out presenting your work at conferences , where can listeners see you next ?   Could you signpost us to blog / twitter / website etc ?

Exciting news! 

Naylor's Natter in association with TDT is now sponsored by John Catt Edu. This means even more high quality interviews and for you the listeners , a chance to benefit with discounts on John Catt books . The sponsorship will also help move NN into America! 

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Next week:

Omar Akbar on Bad School Leadership 

In this week's extended half-term special, we have Emma Turner interviewing Sam Twiselton OBE on Early Career Framework and much more. We also have Jude Hunton 'live' from Educating Lincs which took place earlier this month.

TDT Section

We have Maria and David in discussion about the Education Policy Institute's new research, commissioned by Wellcome,  The effects of high-quality professional development on teachers and students is published today. The report can be found at https://epi.org.uk/document-type/report/. This review of the evidence on teacher professional development informs a wider EPI research project on CPD, also commissioned by Wellcome. The research, which is to be published later in the year, will examine the costs and benefits of a proposed policy entitling all teachers to thirty-five hours of high-quality professional development every year. 

Podcast pedagogy section

I look at 'Indistractable' in books by Nir Eyal, 'The Slow Rush' by Tame Impala on vinyl and 'Sonic The Hedgehog' in films.

Next week

Cath Murray 

Chris Moyse is a nationally acclaimed trainer and consultant with over 30 years of experience in education. A teacher for 18 years, he was a successful Head of Physical Education and went on to become a Teaching and Learning consultant for Somerset Local Authority. He was then a senior leader in a highly successful all-through 3-16 school for 7 years and is now Head of Staff Development for Bridgwater College Trust – a 3-19 multi academy trust in Somerset.

He is also managing director of a successful education and leadership consultancy business; TLC Education Services Ltd, as well as being senior SLE for North Somerset Teaching Alliance.  Chris is also an ambassador for Leadership Matters; a movement designed to give all schools access to the high quality leadership development that ultimately improves pupil educational outcomes.  Chris was also the only associate teaching trainer with Ginnis Training Ltd – an education consultancy company led by the late, great Paul Ginnis, author of The Teachers’ Toolkit. He has worked in over 600 schools across England and Wales.

The natter 

Tell listeners about your career to date , your journey and what you are working on at the moment ?

   I wanted to start by asking about your blog of November last year , entitled RIP performance management. You use the famous insanity quote at the end of the blog , tell me why performance management is dead? 

  Tell us about the professional growth policy you have devised for your trust . 

What are the key drivers for staff development? 

  Going into your professional growth policy , what advantages does continuous professional growth have for teachers and students/pupils ? 

  What is effective personal reflection? Are teachers good at establishing our levels of competence? 

  I’m very pleased to see the data target ditched , what quality assurance processes do you employ to ensure pupils receive the best teaching possible ? 

  How will you use the teachers standards to help teachers reflect on their success, strengths and areas for development?

   What is a challenging focus script and how will this be used by line managers ?

   I’m very excited by the professional growth plan , how will training, opportunities and time be factored into this ?

   What support will be provided for teachers and what feedback will be given ?

   How will observations be used to support teachers to grow professionally ?

   Could you signpost listeners to your website /twitter etc and your excellent podcast with the talking teachers ? 

  Where will you be speaking next about this?

Podcast pedagogy

Again based on #teacher5aday #notice , I will be looking at The Lighthouse in film , Foolish Loving Spaces by Blossoms in vinyl and The Prisoner by Jack Worth in books 

Next week 

Emma Turner interviews Sam Twisleton OBE. 

Tom Rogers is an experienced teacher and middle leader, having worked at schools in the UK for 9 years and internationally for 4 as a history teacher, head of history and latterly assistant headteacher. He is now back in the UK.

Toms passion is in making schools better places for teachers to work in. This passion has inspired him to write more than 100 blogs for the TES and share with the profession through his own twitter account; @rogershistory. Tom has also produced videos for his youtube channel, has his own podcast and more than 20,000 students use his online courses.

In 2015, Tom set up the teachmeet network “teachmeet icons” which now hosts free annual events for teachers across the UK. Teachmeeticons has expanded significantly and has become a notable force for teacher CPD in the UK.

We discuss:

Tell us about your journey to this point and what you’re working on at the moment . 

Could we ask about your journey  through classroom teaching into leadership and whether your think good teachers make good leaders?

Teachmeet icons was a real force for good in the profession , tell us about the genesis of this idea and where we are up to with this now?

Your resources have been used by thousands of teachers and students . Tell us how important sharing resources can be and it’s impact on workload , an issue I know you are passionate about.

 Recently I met you on your tour of interviewing school leaders . What were your biggest takeaways from that experience and could you share some gems from the leaders?

I am a huge fan of your blogs . My first experience going back some time was the nightmares and dreams blog .....how relevant is that still for new teachers?

I love your podcast! Doing it live was just amazing and so brave . Will this be coming back?

Your most recent 2 blogs ‘the journey’ and ‘the dark side of international teaching’ have been hugely emotive and gripping . Could you share your thought process in deciding to work abroad and what you gained from the experience .

Where do you see yourself in teaching next? 

 You do so much good for the profession so on behalf of teachers thank you ! Where can we see you on the speaking circuit next ?   Thank you !

Podcast pedagogy

This week I am looking at 'The ragged trousered philanthropists' by Robert Tressel, 'Everything Else Has Gone Wrong' by Bombay Bicycle Club and 'A Beautiful Day in the Neighbourhood' . This is all part of #teacher5aday #notice. 

Next week - Chris Moyse

This weeks special edition is presented by the Chief Executive of (our friends and podcast partners) The Teacher Development Trust, David Weston.

David is in conversation with Jack Worth, Jack is an education economist at the NFER. Jack is the School Workforce Lead and is researching how to improve teacher recruitment, retention and development. David and Jack are discussing NFER’s new research on teacher autonomy, developed in partnership with the Teacher Development Trust (TDT),  which will be released on Wednesday, 29 January 2020.

You can find it here:

https://www.nfer.ac.uk/teacher-autonomy-how-does-it-relate-to-job-satisfaction-and-retention/

Next week Tom Rogers