In this episode we have a conversation with the brother of our own David Ramm, the wildlife artist Carl Ramm. Among other things, Carl is part of a team that manages bears—Alaska Peninsula brown bears, to be exact—at Brooks Camp in Alaska’s Katmai National Park. As part of a team of bear techs, he helps track the bears’ movement and, as much as possible, guides them away from the camp’s many visitors and toward a place that’s safer for bears and humans alike. We believe there is some link here to management, leadership, living in harmony with nature... but mostly is a really interesting conversation about bears.