Saskie Dorman is a palliative care consultant in Dorset who has been working with local, regional and national colleagues to explore how to make what really matters to people business-as-usual.

Her work has led her to challenge many of the conventional approaches to understanding and managing performance and to experiment with alternatives.

You can read more about this here, where Saskie and colleagues describe what they have been learning about what it takes to develop a shared understanding of 'what good looks like' in practice.

You can find out more about Saskie by:

- Viewing her blogs and sketch-notes on nextstageradicals.net.

- Getting hold of her on Twitter via @saskie_dorman.

Mark Smith is Director of Public Service Reform at Gateshead Council in the North East of England (UK). His work sees him challenging the conventions of standard setting and standardisation in order to pursue an approach to public service that he describes as bespoke-by-default.

You can find out more about Mark by:

- Reading his blogs on nextstageradicals.net. 

- Getting hold of him on Twitter via @MarkAdamSmith.

One year ago (in March 2019) around 100 people met in London to explore the potential for new and better ways of working. From this small event a community of practice has grown; people who are active in exploring what it means and what it takes to really make work work better. We call ourselves the Next Stage Radicals and we are launching this podcast as another way of Exploring Aloud; sharing what we are doing and learning - warts and all - so that others can learn with us. Join us as we try to work out how to move beyond management 1.0 and into 'the next stage'.