It starts with a bat and a surprisingly small hole. Naturally, we turn it into a life lesson.

In our first full episode, we talk about the small openings we don't always notice, the unexpected things that find their way into our lives, and what we can learn when we actually pay attention.

Because apparently, even a bat can give you something to think about.

Before we get into it, we thought we should probably introduce ourselves.

In this short origin episode, Grace and Miranda share who we are, how we know each other, and why we decided to start Nice Was Never the Goal: Therapists Uncensored.

Consider this your quick introduction before the real conversations begin.

Welcome to Nice Was Never the Goal: Therapists Uncensored—honest conversations about therapy, relationships, culture, parenting, personal growth, and the messy reality of being human while helping other humans.

Meet Miranda and Grace and get a taste of what's coming.