This episode is a candid conversation for leaders and teams who know that change isn't optional—but managing it well is hard.

Drawing on real-world experience, Bill and Bruce dig into why even strong, veteran teams can resist change, especially when it challenges long-held habits and assumptions.

The focus isn't on buzzwords or theory; it's on what actually happens inside organizations when expectations shift, and the work feels uncomfortable. The conversations also tackle one of the toughest realities leaders face: change that doesn't create immediate or obvious benefits for everyone involved.

If you're trying to lead a design-build team through uncertainty while maintaining trust, accountability, and momentum, this podcast is built for you.