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Osman Jama was five when his family fled Mogadishu by boat. On the second day it tipped, and his twin brother drowned. A year of refugee camps later he landed in Georgia, then Minnesota, where a pastor's kid invited him to youth group. He'd just come back from Hajj — one of four students sent for free after memorizing the Quran — and his plan was to bring Islam to a room of Christian teenagers. What undid him was hearing kids pray to God as a father, a Bible he started ripping pages out of, Saul on the Damascus Road, and Revelation 1:17. He was disowned in 2008. He's been in full-time ministry since 2012, and 23 Muslims have come to Christ through his story.
In this episode:
- Why Somalia fell apart; Black Hawk Down from the ground
- The boat, and losing his twin
- The border guard's cigarette; night terrors and a child psychologist
- "What's it like to send people to hell for a living?"
- Hajj, and going to youth group to destroy it
- Hearing teenagers pray to God as a father
- Abraham and Isaac, not Ishmael — and ripping pages out of the Bible
- Saul becomes Paul; Paul vs. Muhammad
- Revelation 1:17, Isaiah 44:6 and the Quran: "one of the three is wrong"
- The three things Muslims struggle with: divinity, substitution, cost
- Mosque on Friday, church on Sunday
- The Japanese POW camp story and the 10-mile run
- A secret baptism at Madison Lake, and the whole church showed up
- Born twice, die once: the certificate his sister found
- The imam: "It's a phase." Then the mission trip
- Disowned: "blood on the inside to blood on the outside"
- His father's death, and the call his mother hung up on
- His mother's last meeting: an apology, and what she'd told his siblings
- Was it worth it? Three fears on the other side
- "A beggar telling other beggars where the food is"
- A Somali church plant, and his book Escaping Islam
Chapters:
(00:00) Cold open
(00:58) Meet Osman
(02:23) Why Somalia fell apart
(04:49) The boat
(06:23) Nairobi, Cairo, Paris
(08:09) The border guard
(09:57) Night terrors
(11:54) Landing in America
(15:06) The pastor's kid
(16:05) "Send people to hell for a living?"
(17:02) Hajj, and a plan to destroy youth group
(19:58) Kids praying to a father
(20:36) Abraham and Isaac
(21:23) Ripping pages out of the Bible
(23:00) Saul, Paul and Muhammad
(24:53) Revelation 1:17: one of the three is wrong
(28:00) Three struggles, and the cost
(30:30) Disowned
(32:30) The POW camp story
(35:36) Mosque on Friday, church on Sunday
(36:29) The baptism at Madison Lake
(38:22) Born twice, die once
(39:40) His sister finds the certificate
(41:39) "This is serious"
(42:44) His parents' deaths
(43:47) His mother's last meeting
(44:45) What she'd told his siblings
(48:05) Was it worth it?
(49:24) 23 Muslims
(50:27) A recording for his wife
(51:23) A burden for Somalia
(53:16) The book
Related: Ex-Muslim from Somalia: She Tried to Take Her Testimony Video Down — Shamso, Ep. 38
Topics: ex-Muslim, Somalia, Somali Christian, refugee, Hajj, Quran, Muslim to Christian, disowned, baptism, Revelation 1:17, Christian testimony, Osman Jama, Escaping Islam
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