Bea speaks with Andrea Ritchie about the movement to defund and abolish policing, how police budgets sap resources from state and local governments, and how to understand abolition as a core principle that advances the goals of so many other movements.

Find Andrea's book, co-authored with Mariame Kaba, "No More Police: A Case for Abolition" here: https://thenewpress.com/books/no-more-police

Find more information on Interrupting Criminalization and the "Beyond Do No Harm" project here: https://www.interruptingcriminalization.com/beyond-do-no-harm

Find our book Health Communism here: www.versobooks.com/books/4081-health-communism

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