In this episode, Amina and Mathias discuss underworld mythologies and how they seem to link up with ancient fall traditions in the European North. The conversation takes our two hosts from pumpkin spice and licorice through conversations about (and mispronunciations of) the ancient Welsh hero Pwll, the Franco-Danish hero Ogier the Dane, the Swiss-Lombardic hero of Dietrich of Berne, over the founding of Czechia and the founding of Krakow and the Czech-Polish cultural hero Krok, all the way to Odin and his retrieval of the mead of poetry. They also circle round the conversation about journeys to Hel by sailing to the far North --and there's a little bit about Freyja, Isis, and the sparsely known Minoan snake goddess.