North Country History with Rob Burg

In this episode, recorded on location in Midland, Ontario during my 2026 Podcast Tour of Ontario, Canada, I sat down with my friend Del Taylor, to talk about his life as an Ojibway in Canada, the indigenous experience, growing up on a reservation, learning important life skills from his father and mother, and about Sainte-Marie among the Hurons, the historic site that he spent forty years of his museum career doing about everything. 

This episode was recorded in front of an audience of Del's dogs Lucas and Milo, his neighbor's lawnmower, a buzzing bee, and several geese flying overhead; All are heard in the background. It was also recorded with a faulty second channel, thankfully that was my microphone and not Del's. The quirks of an outdoor recording!

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I am currently on my 2026 Podcast Tour in Ontario and I am visting my longtime friend Robert Roe. Rob is a retired Parks Canada Curator and an avid outdoorsman. Rob and I have taken two canoe trips together to Temagami in northern Ontario, north of North Bay. I sat down with him for us to talk about our two trips, the first in September 2017, and the second also in September, in 2023. 

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In this episode of the North Country History with Rob Burg podcast I am previewing my 2026 Podcast Tour in Ontario Canada. This tour, from September 10 to September 26 will hist several topics of forest history: the Great Lakes fur trade, the French-Indigenous people relations, the lumber industry, and liesure and recreation in the Northwoods. 

After a two day stop at the Straits of Mackinac here in Michigan, I will enter into Canada at Sault Ste. Marie and make a circutious route around Lake Huron, with a detour inland to Algonquin Provincial Park, the Ottawa River Valley, and back west towards Lake Huron, returning to Michigan via Sarnia, Ontario and Port Huron, Michigan.

Stops and Highlights of the Tour include:

• September 10: Colonial Michilimackinac, Mackinaw City, Michigan, and the Museum of Ojibwa Culture, St. Ignace, Michigan.
• September 11: Mackinac Island, Michigan.
• September 12: Canadian Bushplane Heritage Center, Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario. Fort St. Joseph National Historic Site (if time allows).
• September 13: Exploring Elliot Lake area lumber camps with historian Dan Kachur and others. Elliot Lake, Ontario.
• September 14: Lumber History of the North Channel at the Timber Village Museum, Blind River, Ontario, and at other locations in the vicinity.
• September 15: The French River fur trade canoe route and other areas. French River, Ontario.
• September 16-17: Sainte-Marie among the Hurons, Midland, Ontario.
• September 17-19: Algonquin Provincial Park.
• September 19: Glamping at Wilderness Tours Rafting Resort, Ottawa River, Ontario.
• September 20: Whitewater rafting trip on the Ottawa River. Wilderness Tours, Ottawa River.
• September 21: Ottawa Valley Lumber History, Arnprior, Ontario.
• September 22: Canada Canoe Museum, Peterborough, Ontario. Kawartha Lakes, Ontario.
• September 23: Lake Simcoe area, Ontario.
• September 24: Stratford Festival, William Shakespeare's "The Tempest." Stratford, Ontario
• September 25: Pinery Provincial Park and Lambton Heritage Museum, Grand Bend, Ontario.
• September 26: Return to Michigan. Side tour of the Thumb (if time allows).

To follow along on the tour, visit my Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/RobBurgEnviroHistorian

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The Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness in northern Minnesota's Superior National Forest is just the latest place in North America to be affected by wildfires. Wildfires have been increasing over the last several decades due to numerous factors. Logging, agriculture, land development, inconsistent land management and fire protection, and climate change have all been factors leading to this increase. The ongoing "Camp" fire (the name of the fire, not a campfire) provides us with a real time learning resource on how these fires may occur and spread. 

I visited the Boundary Waters and Superior National Forest near Ely and Winton, Minnesota last August, camping for four days just outside the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness. I am heart broken by what I am seeing from this beloved place. My hopes are that no one becomes a casualty of this fast moving fire and that it burns itself out before it causes too great of damage to the forests and property. 

To learn more about the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness, the Superior National Forest, and the Ely, Minnesota region, check out the links below.

Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness, U.S. Forest Service site

https://www.fs.usda.gov/r09/superior/recreation/boundary-waters-canoe-area-wilderness

The Friends of the Boundary Waters Canoe Area

https://www.friends-bwca.org/explore/

Superior National Forest

https://www.fs.usda.gov/r09/superior

Ely, Winton, and the Boundary Waters Tourism and Recreation

https://www.ely.org/

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With this episode we honor Memorial Day with the story of Russell A. Alger. Alger rose from poverty in Ohio, when he was orphaned at age 12, to a lumberman and cavalry officer in the Civil War. 

Having moved to Grand Rapids, Michigan in 1860, he engaged in the lumber business in the Grand River valley. After the Civil War began in April 1861, Russel Alger volunteered for the Union Army in August, 1861 as a private in the 2nd Michigan Cavalry, commanded by Col. Phil Sheridan. He was then commissioned as a Captain when the regiment was mustered into federal service in September. He rose up from Captain to Major in the 2nd, promoted to Lt. Colonel of the 6th Michigan Cavalry, and finally to Colonel and in command of the 5th Michigan Cavalry Regiment in 1863. With this regiment, he served in George Armstrong Custer's Michigan Cavalry Brigade at Gettysburg. Alger was mentioned by Custer for distinguished service at Gettysburg, and in 1864, while a part of General Phil Sheridan's Shenandoah Valley campaign, he again was noted for valor at the Battle of Trevillian Station, where he was also severely wounded. Alger resigned his commision soon after and returned to Michigan, settling in Detroit. In 1866, President Andrew Johnson included Russell Alger in the lists of officers receiving promotions to brevet ranks. Alger was promoted to the honorary rank of Brevet Brigadier General of Volunteers. In 1867 he was again breveted by President Johnson, this time to Brevet Major General of Volunteers. 

Having moved to Detroit, General Alger soon re-entered into the Michigan lumber business. Involved in several lumber companies, the most notable being the Alger, Smith and Company, in which he was president and primary partner of the firm. His lumber operations centered on the AuSable River in Iosco County, the Huron Shore in Alcona County, the eastern Upper Peninsula, including Manistique and the Kingston Plains. The Alger, Smith, and Company also operated a large mill and had extensive lumber operations on the north coast of Lake Huron in Ontario, Canada. Other lumber operations were in California, Washington state, Alabama, and Florida.

Alger did not limit himself to just the lumber business, but was also involved in Republican politics in Michigan and on the National level. Alger was elected as the Governor of Michigan in 1884, serving a single 2-year term from Jan. 1, 1885 to Jan. 1, 1887. As governor, he was involved in trying to break the 1885 sawmill strike in Bay City and Saginaw. Also during his term of office, he saw the creation of two new counties in the Upper Peninsula- Iron and Alger, the creation of a State Board of Pardons, and the establishment of the Michigan College of the Mines, today's Michigan Technological University in Houghton. In 1888, Russell Alger sought the Republican nomination for U.S. President. He lost to Benjamin Harrison, the eventual victor in the race, defeating incumbant President Grover Cleveland. In 1897, Alger was appointed to the office of Secretary of War in the new William McKinley administration. He oversaw the U.S. Army during the Spanish-American War in 1898. He was considered a poor leader of the Army and despite the American victory, he was held responsible forr the poor logisitics, the Army Beef scandal, and the selection of General William Shafter to the command of the Cuba campaign. McKinley aksed for and received Alger's resignation as Secretary of War at the war's conclusion. Russell A. Alger's last involvement in politics came in 1902 when he was appointed by Governor Aaron Bliss to the vacant U.S. Senate seat that had been held by James McMillan, who had died in office. Alger was elected to permanently fill the seat and he served as Senator from Michigan until 1907 when he died of a heart attack in Washington, D.C.

Sources for this episode:

Fuller, George N. Governors of the Territory and State of Michigan. Lansing, MI: Michigan Historical Commission, Bulletin No. 16, 1928.

Hotchkiss, George W. History of the Lumber and Forestry Industry in the Northwest. Chicago, Illinois, 1898.

Kilar, Jeremy W. Michigan's Lumbertowns: Lumbermen and Laborers in Saginaw, Bay City, and Muskegon, 1870-1905. Detroit, Wayne State University Press, 1990.

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News this week out of the Trump Administration in Washington is that there are plans to relocate the headquarters of the U.S. Forest Service from Washington, D.C. to Salt Lake City, Utah. Along with this there are plans to downsize the staffing of the forest service, downsize reseach offices from 57 to 19, and open up more of the federally owned forest lands to logging and other operations. There is also likely the plan to downsize or even eliminate national forests in specific areas as well. 

Thic commentary focuses mostly on an article in Bridge Michigan, an online magazine about public affairs in Michigan that centers on the planned closure of all four of the Forest Service research offices in Michigan and how that may effect our forests. This however will affect all of our region as the same will happen in Minnesota and Wisconsin as well. It may also indirectly affect Ontario and the rest of Canada. 

Bridge Michigan article: 

House, Kelly."Trump administration plans closure of 4 Michigan  forestry research centers." April 3, 2026                                   bridgemichigan.com/michigan-environment-watch/trump-administration-plans-closure-of-4-michigan-forestry-research-centers/

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In honor of Women's History Month, this week's guest Emily Macgillivray (The Outdoors Historian) joins the podcast to share the story of  Ozhaawashkodwekwe, also known as Susan Johnston, an Ojibwe woman born in the Chequamegon Bay region of Lake Superior (Wisconsin), married to an Irish fur trader and a leader of her tribal clan in Bawating (Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan) where she owned a large sugar bush on nearby Sugar Island in the St. Mary's River. 

Maple Sugar was an important food source and commodity for the indigenous people of the Great Lakes. It was an important part of the diet in the early Spring before other food was available. It was used for food preservation, similar to salt, and could be bartered for other food, exchanged for trade goods, and more. 

Emily also touches a bit on the indigenous experience in the fur trade and also the importance of re-learning indigenous history in the 21st century as compared to how it was traditionally taught in the past in both Canada and the United States.

Emily Macgillivray is a historian and writer who lives in the Chequamegon Bay area of northwestern Wisconsin. She has worked as an educator focusing on histories of the Great Lakes, United States, and Canada, fo over fifteen years. She received her PhD from the University of Michigan and was an assistant professor at Northland College, where she also taught field courses focused on the Lake Superior watershed. She has also worked in both large and small museums focusing on Indigenous and Black historys. Born and raised in Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada, Emily has also lived and worked in Kingston, Ontario, Ann Arbor and Detroit, Michigan, and Chicago, Illinois. She currently works in land use development for her municipal government. In her free time she combines her love of the outdoors and history in her wrting on Substack as The Outdoors Historian.

You can follow Emily on Substack at substack.com/@theoutdoorshistorian

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When the University of Michigan's School of Forestry was created in 1903, it was understood that an experimental forest was needed where forestry students could learn their trade. Saginaw, Michigan lumberman and University of Michigan Regent Arthur Hill stepped in and purchased an 80 acre tract of worn out farm land just east of the city of Ann Arbor for the program to develop the "Saginaw Forestry Farm" as Hill asked the University to name it. 

The Saginaw Forest, as it officially became known in 1919 served as a training ground for future professional foresters for many years. As the School of Forestry transformed into the School of Natural Resources, studies at Saginaw Forest expanded into the flora and fauna of the forest and the aquatic life in Third Sister Lake and nearby wetlands. The Saginaw Forest is now part of the School of the Environment and Sustainability (SEAS) where it continues to be a laboratory for students studying the environmental sciences and related fields.  

Episode Sources:

Arthur Hill, Saginaw County Hall of Fame. https://saginawcountyhalloffame.org/arthur-hill

Saginaw Forest website. https://seas.umich.edu/about/field-properties/saginaw-forest

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Sportsmen and sportswomen have come to the Pigeon River Country for more than a century to recreate in the forest. Hunting and fishing have been the primary choices for outdoor recreation for many, but the state forest is also a prime spot for morel mushroom hunting, wild berry picking, camping, hiking and backpacking, horseback riding, and more. In 1986, one such visitor was former President of the United States Jimmy Carter.

I first came across the fact that Jimmy Carter came to the Pigeon River in October 1986 to go Ruffed Grouse hunting from an article written by Dianna Stampfler in the September/October 2024 issue of Michigan History magazine. The article, "The Big Wild, Jimmy Carter in Michigan's Pigeon River Country" sparked my interest to dig deeper into this story. It also led me to Jimmy Carter's own account of this hunt in his 1988 book , "An Outdoor Journal: Adventures and Reflections." He shares this story in the chapter Ruffed Grouse, From Georgia to Michigan.

Piggybacking on the story of Jimmy Carter's Pigeon River Grouse hunt is an explantion of the various types of recreation available in the Pigeon River Country State Forest. If you love the outdoors, there is likely something in the PRC for you to enjoy.

Episode Resources:

Carter, Jimmy. An Outdoor Journal: Adventures and Reflections. New York, NY: Bantam Books, 1988.

Stampfler, Dianna. "The Big Wild, Jimmy Carter in Michigan's Pigeon River Country. Michigan History magazine. Lansing, MI: The Historical Society of Michigan, Vol. 108, No. 5. September/October 2024.

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Among the work of the Civilian Conservation Corps in Minnesota in the 1930s was the development of Gooseberry Falls State Park, one of Minnesota's most popular state parks along the north shore of Lake Superior. In 1934 the CCC arrived to build a camp on a bend of the Gooseberry River where it descends to Lake Superior. The work that Company 2710 would do at Gooseberry Falls for the next seven years included the construction of numerous stone buildings and other structures that have become some of the best examples of stone and log construction that were popular in both national and state parks during the Great Depression.

In August 2025, as part of my 2025 Podcast Tour, I visited Gooseberry Falls State Park and camped overnight to explore the history and architecture of the park. I will share that with you in this episode.

Episode Sources:

Benson, David R. Stories in Log and Stone: The Legacy of the New Deal in Minnesota State Parks. St. Paul, MN: Minnesota Department of Natural Resources, 2002.

Gooseberry Falls State Park interpretive panels text. Circa 1996. No authorship given.

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