In this episode, we speak with Professor Margo Schlanger, the Wade H. and Dores M. McCree Collegiate Professor of Law at the University of Michigan Law School. She is the lead author of a leading casebook, Incarceration and the Law (2020), which can be found at Incarcerationlaw.com. In the episode, we discuss prisoners rights in the time of COVID and Professor Schlanger's recent article in the Northwestern University Law Review (https://northwesternlawreview.org/issues/incrementalist-vs-maximalist-reform-solitary-confinement-case-studies/).