In this episode, I sit down with Tia Levings to talk about her experience inside Christian fundamentalist patriarchy and the trad wife movement, and what it really looks like to break free.
We get into the realities behind the aesthetic: the loss of financial autonomy, being denied access to money, and living on an allowance that could be taken away or used as punishment.
We also talk about what happens after you get out. Tia opens up about learning basic money skills as an adult, navigating shame around debt, unpacking tithing and "should" narratives, and rebuilding trust with herself.
This conversation also explores the overlap between religious messaging around suffering and the "starving artist" identity, especially how both can keep people stuck in cycles of instability and under-earning.
This is a deep, honest conversation about power, money, identity, and what it really means to belong to yourself.
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Tia Levings is the New York Times Bestselling author of "A Well-Trained Wife", her memoir of escape from Christian Patriarchy. She writes about the realities of religious trauma, evangelical patriarchy, and the Trad wife life, decoding the fundamentalist influences in our news and culture. Her work and quotes have appeared in Teen Vogue, Salon, Newsweek, and the HuffingtonPost. She also appeared in the hit Amazon docu-series, Shiny Happy People. Based in Raleigh, North Carolina, she is mom to four. https://tialevings.com/
PRE-ORDER Tia's brand new book "I Belong to Me" coming out on May 5, 2026.
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Trad is a new play written by Kelly Pekar and directed by/developed with Hannah Ryan (Hamilton, An American in Paris), with an all female creative team (including Tia Levings as the Cultural Consultant and Brooke Benson as the Fiscal Dramaturg). There is a private industry reading being held the first week of May, and if you'd like to learn more you can email [email protected]. Check out the official press release here!
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