Think tracking your wardrobe sounds like a nightmare? Think again. This week, Leigh's chatting with Sydney-based stylist Jamie-Lee Burns, who has been logging every single item she owns and wears for over a decade—and it's completely transformed how she shops and gets dressed.

Jamie's sharing her genius system for turning wardrobe chaos into data-driven style decisions. She's using apps like Indyx to track cost-per-wear, her Saint Agni boots? 25 wears in three months!

She breaks down her foolproof 30-day shopping rule that stops impulse purchases in their tracks, reveals why she uses ChatGPT to create flat-lay images for vintage pieces, and explains how "social styling" lets strangers play dress-up with your digital wardrobe. 

EVERYTHING MENTIONED:

Leigh's Budget: Cremme Classic T-Shirt V2 - White $69.00

Jamie-Lee's Budget: H&M Wide Ultra High Jeans $49.99

Leigh's Boujie: Eden Mocha Leather Shoulder Bag $329.00

Jamie-Lee's Boujie: Aeyde Judi Suede Pumps $680.00

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CREDITS:

Host: Leigh Campbell

Guest: Jamie-Lee Burns

Producer: Ella Maitland

Audio Producer: Tina Matolov

Video Producer: Artemi Kokkaris

Just so you know — some of the product links in these notes are affiliate links, which means we might earn a small commission if you buy through them. It doesn’t cost you anything extra, and it helps support the show. Happy shopping!

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

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Time to decode the confusing world of skincare acids! Leigh & Kelly are breaking down azelaic acid - the ingredient that's suddenly everywhere and explaining why it's perfect for rosacea sufferers who can't handle retinol.

Then they're tackling the dreaded neck situation! How do you deal with lines and crepey skin that seems to appear overnight? They're sharing why your regular face retinol might be too harsh for this delicate area, plus revealing the affordable and luxury options that actually work. Spoiler: you need to treat your neck like a separate skincare routine, not just an afterthought!

EVERYTHING MENTIONED:

Naturium Azelaic Topical Acid 10% $39.95

Azclear Action Medicated Lotion 25g $21.95 

Paula's Choice 10% Azelaic Acid Booster $62.00

La Roche Posay Effaclar A.Z. Gel Cream 40ml $45.99

HelloSkin Azelaic Acid 20% w/w Serum $59.99

Dr Naomi Hit The Dec $149.00

RoC Derm Correxion Contour Cream 50ml $49.99

No7 Restore & Renew FACE & NECK $59.99

Skin Ceuticals Tripeptide-R Retinol Neck Repair Cream $249.00

bareMinerals Ageless Phyto-Retinol Neck Cream 50g Ageless $118

Fresh Black Tea Firming Corset Cream $155

HIFU Treatment 

Non-Surgical Medical Aesthetic Skin Tightening Treatments 

The Golden Hour Facial $265

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Producer: Sophie Campbell & Ella Maitland

Audio Producer: Tegan Sadler

Video Producer: Artemi Kokkaris

Mamamia's studios are furnished with thanks to Fenton & Fenton. For more head to their website here.

Just so you know — some of the links in these notes are affiliate links, which means we might earn a small commission if you buy through them. It doesn’t cost you anything extra, and it helps support the show. Happy shopping!

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

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Think Sex and the City was just about dating and designer shoes? Think again. This week, Leigh's joined by Mamamia's Head of Entertainment, Laura Brodnik to decode the fashion legacy that's still influencing our wardrobes 30 years later. From Carrie's controversial black bra moments to Miranda's power suits that actually made sense, these four women didn't just change how we talk about relationships—they revolutionised how we dress.

Laura breaks down why Carrie Bradshaw's style is actually more attainable than aspirational (yes, really!), explains how each character's wardrobe evolved to reflect their personal growth, and reveals why that infamous pigeon clutch from "And Just Like That" is peak Carrie energy. 

EVERYTHING MENTIONED:

Dirt Fabric Spray Starter Pack $35.40

Leigh's Budget: Norma Kamali Diana one-shoulder ruched stretch-jersey dress $339

Laura's Budget: Fayt Sola Skirt Black $89.00

Leigh's Boujie: JW Anderson Pigeon clutch $1260

JW PEI Kallie Pigeon Clutch Bag-Purple $249.00

Laura's Boujie: ARRANGE Curve futurist sequin embellished fringe hem midi skirt in gold $314.00

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This week, you can get 20% off a Mamamia sponsorship, and Mamamia will match that 20% and donate it to RizeUp, a charity supporting women and families affected by domestic violence.

Subscribe today with the code GIVEBACKNTW until 24 August 2025. 

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CREDITS:

Host: Leigh Campbell

Guest: Laura Brodnik

Producer: Mollie Harwood & Ella Maitland

Audio Producer: Tina Matolov

Video Producer: Artemi Kokkaris

Just so you know — some of the links in these notes are affiliate links, which means we might earn a small commission if you buy through them. It doesn’t cost you anything extra, and it helps support the show. Happy shopping!

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

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Time to spring clean your makeup stash! Leigh & Kelly are tackling the overwhelming task of decluttering your beauty collection without keeping "just in case" products forever. They're breaking down expiry dates (spoiler: powders last way longer than liquids!), sharing storage tips that actually matter, and revealing why that mascara you've been hoarding needs to go immediately. Plus, Kelly's got the ultimate deep-clean routine for your brushes and tools that goes way beyond your regular wash.

Then they're solving the slicked-back hair dilemma! How do you get that chic, editorial look without looking like you haven't washed your hair in a week? They're covering the blonde vs brunette difference (it's huge!), sharing their favourite brushes and products to get the perfect look.

EVERYTHING MENTIONED:

Kmart OXX Haircare Styling Brush - Black $6 

Adore Beauty ELEVEN Australia Smooth Me Now Flyaway Balm $27.95

Color Wow Cult Favorite Firm + Flexible Hairspray $26

L'oreal Elnett Flexible Hold | 75mL $4.50

No Nasties Kids Plant Based Kids Hair Gel in Zesty Lime and Fresh Mint 125mL $21.95

Dermal Therapy Crystal Deodorant $8.99

Glow Up on Netflix

FOR MORE WHERE THIS CAME FROM: 

This week, you can get 20% off a Mamamia sponsorship, and Mamamia will match that 20% and donate it to RizeUp, a charity supporting women and families affected by domestic violence. 
Subscribe today with the code BEAUTYGIVEBACK until 24 August 2025.

Want $10 + a free month of Mamamia? We've got you.
We're cooking up something exciting and need your brilliant opinions to help us make even better content.
It's just 20 minutes of your time, and you'll get:

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• 1 month Mamamia subscription (or gift it to someone if you're already a subscriber)

Here is the survey and T&Cs links but please let me know if you need anything else from me x
Survey here
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Watch & Subscribe on YouTube – Our Q&A Episode drops tonight at 7pm! Catch it here.

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You Beauty is a podcast by Mamamia. Listen to more Mamamia podcasts here.

CREDITS:

Hosts: Leigh Campbell & Kelly McCarren

Producer: Sophie Campbell & Ella Maitland

Audio Producer: Tegan Sadler

Video Producer: Artemi Kokkaris

Mamamia's studios are furnished with thanks to Fenton & Fenton. For more head to their website here.

Just so you know — some of the links in these notes are affiliate links, which means we might earn a small commission if you buy through them. It doesn’t cost you anything extra, and it helps support the show. Happy shopping!

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

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Copenhagen Fashion Week just wrapped, and Leigh's joined again by trend forecaster Lucinda Pikkat to decode the street style magic that's got everyone obsessed! From sustainability requirements that put other fashion weeks to shame (18 mandatory criteria just to show!) to the Danish girls who made sneakers with dresses a thing, Copenhagen is serving up fashion inspiration and is showing us what to expect for our spring season.

Lucinda breaks down the "Copenhagen C's"—from Scandi minimalism to full-blown maximalism—and explains why 50% influencer attendance means we're seeing the most creative, risk-taking looks on the streets. Think tartan mini skirts with giant bows, sequin dresses layered over jeans, and enough polka dots to make your head spin (in the best way).

Listen to Former Vogue Editor talk street style

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CREDITS:

Host: Leigh Campbell

Guest: Lucinda Pikkat

Producer: Ella Maitland

Audio Producer: Tina Matolov

Video Producer: Artemi Kokkaris

Want $10 + a free month of Mamamia? We've got you.
We're cooking up something exciting and need your brilliant opinions to help us make even better content.
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Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

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Time to ditch the fear of fake tan disasters! Leigh & Kelly are giving us their best tips for achieving a natural glowy look without the dreaded orange undertones. They're sharing foolproof gradual tanning formulas that you can literally take on your beach holiday, plus the professional spray tan secrets that create the most natural-looking base.

Then it's all about hair that smells as good as it looks! They're breaking down whether hair perfumes are worth the investment or if your regular fragrance will do the trick. Kelly's tells us why oily hair actually has advantages when it comes to scent, plus Leigh's sharing the products that tackle the stench at the source. Plus, the hygiene habits you're probably overlooking that could be sabotaging your fresh hair goals!

EVERYTHING MENTIONED:

Jergens Natural Glow Daily Moisturiser Medium to Deep $12

Bangn Body Gradual Tanning Firming Lotion $52

Noosa Bronze Gradual Tanning Lotion $39.95

Thanks To Nature Hair Perfume $24

STRAAND HeavenScent Hair Perfume + Gloss $38

My Organics The Organic Hydrating Hair Perfume $10.99

AVEDA Scalp Solutions Refreshing Protective Mist $82

Oribe Mystify Restyling Spray $36

Batiste Overnight Deep Cleanse Dry Shampoo  $14

BYOMA Phyto-Mucin Glow Serum $30

FOR MORE WHERE THIS CAME FROM: 

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Follow us on Instagram: @youbeautypodcast

Follow us on TikTok: @youbeautypod

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Subscribe to Mamamia here

GET IN TOUCH:

Got a beauty question you want answered? Email us at [email protected] or send us a voice message, and one of our Podcast Producers will come back to you ASAP.

You Beauty is a podcast by Mamamia. Listen to more Mamamia podcasts here.

Want $10 + a free month of Mamamia? We've got you.
We're cooking up something exciting and need your brilliant opinions to help us make even better content.
It's just 20 minutes of your time, and you'll get:

• $10 e-gift card
• 1 month Mamamia subscription (or gift it to someone if you're already a subscriber)

Survey here
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CREDITS:

Hosts: Leigh Campbell & Kelly McCarren

Producer: Mollie Harwood & Sophie Campbell

Audio Producer: Thom Lion

Video Producer: Artemi Kokkaris

Mamamia's studios are furnished with thanks to Fenton & Fenton. For more head to their website here.

Just so you know — some of the links in these notes are affiliate links, which means we might earn a small commission if you buy through them. It doesn’t cost you anything extra, and it helps support the show. Happy shopping!

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

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Think perfect-fitting clothes are only for the rich and famous? Think again. This week, Leigh's chatting with celebrity stylist and tailor Hayley Burton, whose worked her magic on Taylor Swift, Rihanna, and Drake to name a few, and she's here to democratise the art of looking expensive.

Hayley's sharing her insider secrets for transforming your existing wardrobe with simple alterations that won't break the bank. She tells us why most of us are getting our pants completely wrong, reveals her foolproof method for finding affordable tailors, and drops her genius customisation hacks using nothing more than Spotlight supplies and iron-on tape.

EVERYTHING MENTIONED:

Leigh's Budget: Kmart Cuffed Hem Jeans $30

Hayley's Budget: Zara Water-Repellant Trench Coat, ZW Collection $239 

Leigh's Boujie: COS Facade Turn-Up Straight-Leg Jeans $175 

Hayley's Boujie: Camilla and Marc Evans Classic Trench Coat $900

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Feedback? We’re listening! Call the pod phone on 02 8999 9386 or email us at [email protected]

CREDITS:

Host: Leigh Campbell

Guest: Hayley Burton

Producer: Ella Maitland

Audio Producer: Tina Matolov

Video Producer: Marlena Cacciotti

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

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Think you need to wash your hair less to keep it healthy? Leigh & Kelly are here to burst that bubble! They're tackling how often you should actually be washing fine, oily hair. Spoiler alert: wash it as much as you bloody want! From debunking the "hair training" myth to sharing their holy grail products, they're serving up real talk about why your hair doesn't need the same love as your skin.

Then they're diving into reverse eyeliner - that dramatic bottom lash line emphasis all over your Instagram feed. Kelly attempts it (and immediately regrets it), while Leigh explains why this runway trend might not be your everyday go-to.

LINKS TO EVERYTHING MENTIONED:

My Soda Australia Balanced Shampoo and Conditioner (for oily-prone hair) $10.00

John Frieda Profiller Thickening Shampoo $20.99

John Frieda Profiller Thickening Conditioner $20.99

Garnier Fructis Coconut Water Shampoo for Oily Roots and Dry Ends $16.99

Batiste Dry Shampoo $10.00

Makeup by Mario Master Pigment Pro Pencil - Super Black $47.00

Lovebasiq Smudge Wipes 

FOR MORE WHERE THIS CAME FROM: 

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GET IN TOUCH:

Got a beauty question you want answered? Email us at [email protected] or send us a voice message, and one of our Podcast Producers will come back to you ASAP.

You Beauty is a podcast by Mamamia. Listen to more Mamamia podcasts here.

CREDITS:

Hosts: Leigh Campbell & Kelly McCarren

Producer: Mollie Harwood & Sophie Campbell

Audio Producer: Tina Matolov

Video Producer: Marlena Cacciotti

Mamamia's studios are furnished with thanks to Fenton & Fenton. For more head to their website here.

Just so you know — some of the product links in these notes are affiliate links, which means we might earn a small commission if you buy through them. It doesn’t cost you anything extra, and it helps support the show. Happy shopping!

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

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Winter footwear got you stumped? This week, Leigh's joined by creative director Erin Kadwood, who's bringing her 15+ years of styling expertise to solve our seasonal shoe struggles once and for all. From navigating those tricky hemlines that never seem quite right to building a capsule footwear collection that actually earns its wardrobe space, Erin's got the answers.

She explains why flipping your getting-ready routine and starting from the shoes up is a total game-changer, plus she lets us in on her genius tailoring hack that makes your trousers work seamlessly with both sneakers and heels—no more choosing between comfort and style, or committing to just one shoe height when you get pants hemmed.

Mamamia studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton visit www.fentonandfenton.com.au

EVERYTHING MENTIONED:

Leigh's Budget: Nine West Mailin Pumps $189.95

Erin's Budget: Raboesy Adjustable Strap Tabi Mary Janes $68

Leigh's Boujie: Mollini Kylie Cream Leather Loafers $199.95

Erin's Boujie: Dior J'Adoir Slingback Flat $1490

GET YOUR FASHION FIX:

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Feedback? We’re listening! Call the pod phone on 02 8999 9386 or email us at [email protected]

CREDITS:

Host: Leigh Campbell

Guest: Erin Kadwood

Producer: Ella Maitland

Audio Producer: Tina Matolov

Video Producer: Marlena Cacciotti

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

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Ready to make the supposedly "life-changing" switch from black to brown mascara? Leigh & Kelly are diving into whether brown mascara will actually leave you looking washed out....spoiler: they're here to tell you it's not the dramatic change you think it is! From creating your ultimate "mascara wardrobe" to discovering why certain eye colours absolutely shine with brown formulas, we share the go-to picks from affordable drugstore heroes to high-end cult favourites.

Then we're tackling the skincare struggle that's got everyone confused - how do you handle fine lines AND breakouts hitting at the same time? The girls are debunking the myth that you're "too young for anti-ageing but too old for acne products" once and for all. From retinol revelations (plot twist: it was actually created for breakouts!) to the storage hack that'll make your liquid makeup last longer, this episode is packed with game-changing beauty intel!

LINKS TO EVERYTHING MENTIONED:

Judydoll - Slim Liquid Eyeliner - 0.5ml $8.12 

Rimmel London Soft Kohl Eye Pencil #011 - Sable Brown $3.79 

Too Faced Better Than Sex Mascara Chocolate $51

Revlon All In Tubing Mascara Brown $15.69

Brown Lash Clusters Kit Natural Clusters Fluffy Lash Extension $18.99 

Extreme Volume Smudge Proof Mascara Brown $16.95

MECCA MAX Whip Lash Tubing Mascara 8mL $26

Tower 28 Mascara $35

SkinCeuticals Silymarin CF 30ml $242

SkinCeuticals Blemish + Age Defense Serum $145

Medik8 Crystal Retinal (Vitamin A) Skin Care 1 $99

Medik8 Crystal Retinal (Vitamin A) Skin Care 3 $99

Paula's Choice 0.3% Retinol + 2% Bakuchiol Treatment $90

Big W Storage Drawers $22

MorpheM451 Detailed Highlighter Brush $14

You Beauty Episode: The Retinol Whisperer: Daniel Isaacs Spills Medik8's Skin Secrets

FOR MORE WHERE THIS CAME FROM: 

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Follow us on TikTok: @youbeautypod

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GET IN TOUCH:

Got a beauty question you want answered? Email us at [email protected] or send us a voice message, and one of our Podcast Producers will come back to you ASAP.

You Beauty is a podcast by Mamamia. Listen to more Mamamia podcasts here.

CREDITS:

Hosts: Leigh Campbell & Kelly McCarren

Producer: Mollie Harwood & Sophie Campbell

Audio Producer: Thom Lion

Video Producer: Marlena Cacciotti

Mamamia's studios are furnished with thanks to Fenton & Fenton. For more head to their website here.

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.