Nothing Without Us

'For so many people in my generation who were raised with that kind of colorblind approach, they've always thought there's not no racism at all, but they haven't realised that they've internalised so much of it. Because it is in all, it's in the media, it's in the culture, it's all in there. So it's for us about kind of trying to say to people, it's okay to see that now. And we need to start talking about it, and having really deep meaningful conversations about it, and how that might be impacting on the work that we're doing.'

In this distilled episode Angie talks to Claire Bloor about her 'colourblind' upbringing in Ireland, her work with First Nations people in Australia, and her move to working with victims of sexual violence in the UK.

Claire has over 20 years’ experience working in the charity sector starting her career in Dublin as a caseworker working with homeless people, she has gone on to manage a broad range of support services in both the UK and Australia including youth justice, employment, training, education, and Aboriginal programs.

Find more information about SARSAS at www.sarsas.org.uk

Connect with Angie on her website - www.angelabrowne.co.uk

A full transcript of this episode can be found at https://being-luminary.simplecast.com/episodes/in-focus-recognising-privilege-with-claire-bloor

This podcast was written and presented by Angie Browne. Original music was by Martin Austwick. The series is edited and produced by Big Tent Media and Emily Crosby Media.

"I found that when I was acting, there were no, I had to audition with monologues. And there were no monologues written for me, for a mixed girl. So I'm like, Well, I'm writing it. And then I was getting asked the What are you? questions so many times when I would go into auditions, that I wrote a monologue, and I it was called, I'm mixed and I walked in the room. They're like, Do you have a monologue? I was like, yes. And it started just to answer all the questions that it consists of, What are you? I'm mixed black and white. So that's how it started."

In this episode, Angie talks to Sarah Doneghy about her experience of growing up mixed in West Virginia, moving to New York, and her writing and performance work. They explore the nuances of mixed race experience and why mixed stories need to be shared more.

Sarah Doneghy is an actor, writer, and performance artist. She is the creator and host of Mixed Messages – a show where each episode a guest discusses their personal Mixed-Race experience. Her one person show, Mixed Nut, played at the People’s Improv Theater and has been featured in Mixed American Life, iCelebrateDiversity, and Multiracial Media. Her writing can be seen in The Washington Post, Vox, and Black Excellence.

Twitter: @sarahdnycity
Website: sarahdoneghy.com
Talk show: Mixed Messages with Sarah Doneghy

Connect with Angie on her website - www.angelabrowne.co.uk

A full transcript of this episode can be found at https://being-luminary.simplecast.com/episodes/in-conversation-with-sarah-doneghy

This podcast was written and presented by Angie Browne. Original music was by Martin Austwick. The series is edited and produced by Big Tent Media and Emily Crosby Media.

"We're so sort of conditioned to think of writing as this solitary thing where one person tells you how it is - that collaboration is seen as, as less interesting."

In this distilled episode Angie talks to Darren Chetty about his varied family background in Wales, the Netherlands and South Africa, and his focus on collaboration through his disparate work in anti racism in primary schools, academic writing, philosophy of education, Hip Hop Ed and DEI consultancy. 

Darren Chetty taught in London primary schools for twenty years before becoming a Teaching Fellow at UCL Institute of Education. Darren’s award-winning research focuses on philosophy for children, multiculturalism and racism. He is the author of the essay ‘You Can’t Say That! Stories Have to be About White People’ in the British Book Award-shortlisted anthology The Good Immigrant, edited by Nikesh Shukla. Darren reviews and writes about children’s literature for Books for Keeps and is an educational consultant. 

Twitter @RapClassroom

https://ioe-ac.academia.edu/DarrenChetty

Welsh (Plural), edited by Darren Chetty

Wasafiri Magazine

How to Disagree, Darren Chetty and Adam Ferner

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A full transcript of this episode can be found at https://being-luminary.simplecast.com/episodes/in-focus-creative-collaboration-with-darren-chetty

This podcast was written and presented by Angie Browne. Original music was by Martin Austwick. The series is edited and produced by Big Tent Media and Emily Crosby Media.

"I have had no reason to achieve the success that I have, to achieve the confidence that I have, to enjoy the life that I have. There is no reason that that should have happened to me, and it can't happen to you. And that's why I've developed this programme. That's why I want to work with you. Because I want you to feel what that feels like, as a woman of colour in your workplace, in your life, to show up and feel like you're in complete control of your destiny is just,  it's just luminary." 

In this solo episode, Angie shares her excitement about her new programme, The Melanated Mastermind. A five-month group programme for women of colour in education.

Find out more about The Melanated Mastermind - https://www.angelabrowne.co.uk/melanated-mastermind

Connect with Angie on her website - www.angelabrowne.co.uk

A full transcript of this episode can be found at https://being-luminary.simplecast.com/episodes/happy-new-year-and-the-melanated-mastermind

This podcast was written and presented by Angie Browne. Original music was by Martin Austwick. The series is edited and produced by Big Tent Media and Emily Crosby Media.

“I kind of realised that, probably from the age of maybe 15/16/17, that if you have advantage, if you have power, whether it is there by virtue of merit, or whether it's there by virtue of the way society is organised, that you can either use that power that influence that voice, to help transform the world into the world that you want to see. Or you can use it to shore things up to your own advantage. And although that's a kind of fairly bleak, split between the two, I also became convinced that if you do nothing, that is a political act. If you if you sit on the sidelines, and you are not engaged in using the talents that you have, for the ultimately for the well being of others, then you're actually contributing to maintaining the status quo, you're not seeking change.“

In this episode Angie talks to Robin Bevan, Headteacher at Southend High School for Boys. They talk about Robin’s background in trade unionism and non-Conformist religion, about using his privilege to speak up for others, and how his school is focusing on diversity, equity and inclusion.

Robin served as National President (2020/21) of the National Education Union: Europe’s largest education trade union. He has been an influential national campaigner on funding, workload and pay. He is also a Patron of the Institute of School Business Leadership.

A regular presenter in workshops and conferences: he has developed approaches on organisational leadership that have been transformational in school culture. He has a strong commitment to evidence-based practice: applying educational research into the classroom to enhance learning. He completed his doctorate at the University of Cambridge in conjunction with the ESRC’s Teaching & Learning Research Programme; and is a founding fellow of the Chartered College of Teaching.

You can contact Robin at [email protected]

Connect with Angie on her website - www.angelabrowne.co.uk

A full transcript of this episode can be found at https://being-luminary.simplecast.com/episodes/in-conversation-with-robin-bevan

This podcast was written and presented by Angie Browne. Original music was by Martin Austwick. The series is edited and produced by Big Tent Media and Emily Crosby Media.

‘When was the last time you asked young people about identity and about how safe they feel to bring their identity into school. Because that's the starting point to mitigating attrition of both students and staff.’

In this masterclass episode, Angie focuses on listening to your stakeholders, particularly on issues of race. She discusses how to narrow the gap between pupils’ perception of racist incidents and staff perceptions, and invites you to consider how your own school would address such issues.

Connect with Angie on her website - www.angelabrowne.co.uk

A full transcript of this episode can be found at https://being-luminary.simplecast.com/episodes/a-being-luminary-masterclass-listening-to-your-stakeholders

This podcast was written and presented by Angie Browne. Original music was by Martin Austwick. The series is edited and produced by Big Tent Media and Emily Crosby Media.

“Our ability to weather storms in our schools, I believe, rests on our ability to have skilful, and confident conversations with all of our stakeholders”

In this masterclass episode, Angie presents a strategy for developing an SLT that can navigate stormy weather, going beyond just being good people to gain a DEI Intellectual Quotient leading to a DEI Emotional Quotient through deliberate practice.

Connect with Angie on her website - www.angelabrowne.co.uk

A full transcript of this episode can be found at https://being-luminary.simplecast.com/episodes/a-being-luminary-masterclass-develop-your-team

This podcast was written and presented by Angie Browne. Original music was by Martin Austwick. 
The series is edited and produced by Big Tent Media and Emily Crosby Media.

“I think the idea of it being a golden ticket to being an insider, has already gone. And I think that's a good thing. I mean, I don't have a problem with it. And I think one of the big challenges for the independent sector is, is to ensure that we are fully integrated in society. And we are a force for good both institutionally and for the individuals that we send out into the world.”

In this episode Angie talks to Steffan Griffiths about how he approaches DEI work while holding a lot of privileges. They also talk about how Norwich School dealt with an open letter about racist incidents in the school, and the positive steps Steffan has taken to make the school more diverse and inclusive.

Steffan Griffiths has been Headteacher at Norwich School since September 2011. After reading Classics at University College, Oxford, he taught at Tonbridge School (1995-1999) and Eton College (1999-2006). In 2006, he was appointed to the role of Usher (principal deputy head) at Magdalen College School, Oxford. Steffan also holds a first-class honours English Literature degree from the Open University.

https://www.norwich-school.org.uk/

Connect with Angie on her website - www.angelabrowne.co.uk

A full transcript of this episode can be found at https://being-luminary.simplecast.com/episodes/in-conversation-with-steffan-griffiths

This podcast was written and presented by Angie Browne. Original music was by Martin Austwick. The series is edited and produced by Big Tent Media and Emily Crosby Media.

“This is exciting, energising stuff. And while it's difficult, we shouldn't be cowed by that. Because it's through the difficulty that we will make real progress and start to chip away at some very embedded and deep issues that just need to have a light shone on them and that's why we should approach it in a very positive way” 

In this episode Angie talks to Cheryl Giovannoni about growing up in South Africa, and being a South African in Britain. They also discuss what makes girls’ schools valuable, and the DEI work that the Girls’ Day School Trust is engaged in.

Cheryl Giovannoni joined the Girls’ Day School Trust as CEO in 2016. Born and brought up in South Africa, Cheryl’s first career saw her leading some of the world’s largest companies in the advertising and creative industries in the WPP Group. She was CEO of boutique design agency Coley Porter Bell, European President of global brand consulting firm Landor Associates, and UK CEO of advertising agency Ogilvy & Mather London.

Cheryl has spent much of her career supporting women in the workplace, helping them thrive and push the boundaries, often in male dominated industries. Over many years, she has dedicated time to mentoring people from all walks of life, in the GDST family and through the WACL mentoring  programme.

She is passionate about the power of education to solve the world’s most intractable problems, and the role women play in creating an equal and better world for all.

Find out more about Cheryl - https://www.gdst.net/about-us/our-chief-executive/

Connect with Angie on her website - www.angelabrowne.co.uk

A full transcript of this episode can be found at https://being-luminary.simplecast.com/episodes/in-conversation-with-cheryl-giovannoni

This podcast was written and presented by Angie Browne. Original music was by Martin Austwick. The series is edited and produced by Big Tent Media and Emily Crosby Media.

“There are thousands of school leaders and teachers doing those sorts of things every day. And if they weren't, this country would be a lot worse place for this and we don't see it, reward it. I think government takes it for granted that this sort of glue is there. In many ways it sort of uses it, I think, but if we funded it properly, and resourced it and respected it that way, this could be a very powerful force for our country.”

In this episode Angie talks to Russell Hobby about his origin story, from PPE at Oxford, to trade union head to leading Teach First. They discuss the social impact of good school leadership and how Teach First approaches DEI.

Russell joined Teach First as CEO in September 2017, building on more than 15 years developing and promoting leadership in schools. Prior to joining Teach First, Russell was General Secretary of the National Association of Head Teachers (NAHT) and before that worked as a management consultant, helping found Hay Group’s education practice.

Russell serves as a trustee of Fair Education Alliance and Teach for All UK Charity Board, as well as participating as a Community Board Member for Digital Poverty Alliance. Russell recently joined the Education Committee at the Royal Society. Russell was awarded a CBE in the New Year Honours List 2022

Connect with Angie on her website - www.angelabrowne.co.uk

A full transcript of this episode can be found at https://being-luminary.simplecast.com/episodes/in-conversation-with-russell-hobby

This podcast was written and presented by Angie Browne. Original music was by Martin Austwick. The series is edited and produced by Big Tent Media and Emily Crosby Media.