At the end of a tempestuous week for Nottingham Forest Football Club, we take some time to reflect upon the four point deduction imposed by an independent commission and what impact it could have on the Reds' season, and indeed for the wider world of football (especially as Leicester are in trouble and Everton await their next punishment).

Should Forest appeal? Has Nick De Marco KC done his job well? Does it matter whether the rules are fair, or does it just matter that Forest broke them? And on the pitch, after failing to beat Luton, do the Reds have enough to beat their rivals to stay in the Premier League, despite their vastly different expenditure?

Presented by Rich Ferraro with Baz, George Edwards and Steven Toplis, with assistance from the 1865 Podcat and Producer Romeo. Our next podcast will be the Friday 5 news bulletin at the end of the week, and we will have reports after the crucial home games against Palace and Fulham - thanks for joining us.

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