Matt Bell discusses his new craft book, Refuse to Be Done: How to Write and Rewrite a Novel in Three Drafts. We talk about the mysteries, joys, and frustrations of novel revision, including getting that first draft out on the page, recordkeeping during the drafting process, finding your place on the “outline or no outline” spectrum, strategies for the second draft, unpublished first novels, abandoning a novel after writing 100 pages, why community is sustaining for writers, and more.

Matt Bell is the author of the novels Appleseed, Scrapper, and In the House upon the Dirt Between the Lake and the Woods, as well as the short story collection A Tree or a Person or a Wall, a nonfiction book about the classic video game Baldur's Gate II, and several other titles. His writing has appeared in The New York Times, Esquire, Tin House, Fairy Tale Review, American Short Fiction, Orion, and many other publications. A native of Michigan, he has an MFA from Bowling Green State University and teaches creative writing at Arizona State University.

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